Why do dealers do this?
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Blue Efficacy
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It's to announce to the PC that you're playing smart.
FLASH1296
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Many of the "called-out" plays are verbalized to the floor-person because some dudes will try to take a shot at the casino by making a play and then denying that they did so when they bust.
For instance, he has a hard 17 and wants to hit. If he is trying to take a shot, he will take the card - but if he busts he may try to 'make the case' - "Of course I wanted to stand. What moron would hit on 17 ?" So long long ago the dealers were taught to call out odd plays, AND in some stores, "smart plays" like 'surrender' are called out since ploppies do not surrender at all. Plays ordinarily reserved for drunks and A.P.'s - i.e.Splitting 10's, doubling on soft 19, etc. are called to the floor-person's attention because they need to see which you are -- smart or dumb.
In the case you cited, it was a normal Basic Strategy play.
So, in this case, the dealer was just an imbecile.
For instance, he has a hard 17 and wants to hit. If he is trying to take a shot, he will take the card - but if he busts he may try to 'make the case' - "Of course I wanted to stand. What moron would hit on 17 ?" So long long ago the dealers were taught to call out odd plays, AND in some stores, "smart plays" like 'surrender' are called out since ploppies do not surrender at all. Plays ordinarily reserved for drunks and A.P.'s - i.e.Splitting 10's, doubling on soft 19, etc. are called to the floor-person's attention because they need to see which you are -- smart or dumb.
In the case you cited, it was a normal Basic Strategy play.
So, in this case, the dealer was just an imbecile.
That's why you want to double for maybe one-tenth your bet with 12 vs. 2 and 12 vs. 3 -- so that the dealer will call out, "doubling on a hard 12". Also, Insuring for around one tenth your bet with any stiff will also fit right in. A couple of those, and splitting 10's at the right time ought to be fine.FLASH1296 said:
ihate17
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Most important reason to call out surrender
Unlike hit or stay, there is no universal signal for surrender. In some places they use the straight line parallel to your hand but that may land up looking like another signal to the eye. So since they eye often can not verify surrender, calling it out becomes procedure.
A few casinos use a special surrender chip. It is put out when you tell the dealer that you surrender (the eye sees this) and then taken back when the dealer takes half your bet. Generally, at these places they will not call out surrender.
ihate17
FLASH1296 said:
Unlike hit or stay, there is no universal signal for surrender. In some places they use the straight line parallel to your hand but that may land up looking like another signal to the eye. So since they eye often can not verify surrender, calling it out becomes procedure.
A few casinos use a special surrender chip. It is put out when you tell the dealer that you surrender (the eye sees this) and then taken back when the dealer takes half your bet. Generally, at these places they will not call out surrender.
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ihate17
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Because he is a blackjack novice himself.
Hitting hard 17, doubling 13, splitting 10's etc would definately fall into this category, as does a suddenly large bet.
Your particular dealer does not know blackjack well enough to know that doubling soft 18 vs 3 is just plain basic strategy or he is dealing in a house that wants simple BS plays like this called out.
ihate17
For the reasons most people here mentioned, strange plays are call out by dealers. It alerts the pit that something out of the ordinary is happening.tribute said:
Hitting hard 17, doubling 13, splitting 10's etc would definately fall into this category, as does a suddenly large bet.
Your particular dealer does not know blackjack well enough to know that doubling soft 18 vs 3 is just plain basic strategy or he is dealing in a house that wants simple BS plays like this called out.
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Martin Gayle
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Some places have trained their dealers to "call the game". This includes emphasising odd plays. When someone once doubled a hard 12 the dealer made it obvious to all in the pit that someone doubled. When the player left I asked the dealer why they made such a bold announcement. The dealer said, "It is the most common move for card counters and the supervisiors want to know when there is a card counter."
I figure they mislead the dealers as to the reason as there is no playable index which calls for doubling hard 12. However, it is best for the pit to know if a player is having success with bizarre deviations in BS as something (cheating) may be up. Cheating/stealing is the casino's no.1 concern so all of us AP's will have to take a humble back seat. :laugh:
In regards to playing A,7 being a simple basic strategy play...it isn't. It probably is the most misplayed hand. Even ploppies who know that they should hit/double A7 don't because they think 18 is good enough (risk adverse). They called it out because you were making a strong play or the dealer is a fool.
I figure they mislead the dealers as to the reason as there is no playable index which calls for doubling hard 12. However, it is best for the pit to know if a player is having success with bizarre deviations in BS as something (cheating) may be up. Cheating/stealing is the casino's no.1 concern so all of us AP's will have to take a humble back seat. :laugh:
In regards to playing A,7 being a simple basic strategy play...it isn't. It probably is the most misplayed hand. Even ploppies who know that they should hit/double A7 don't because they think 18 is good enough (risk adverse). They called it out because you were making a strong play or the dealer is a fool.
tribute
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A7 vs dealer 10 up.
I always HIT this hand. I get grief from ploppies AND dealers almost everytime. Ploppies say, "Hey, you've got 18." Dealers think I will stand and continue on to the next player without looking at me. I usually have signal for a hit two or three times to alert the dealer.
I always HIT this hand. I get grief from ploppies AND dealers almost everytime. Ploppies say, "Hey, you've got 18." Dealers think I will stand and continue on to the next player without looking at me. I usually have signal for a hit two or three times to alert the dealer.
ihate17
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Sometimes opportunity opens up on this hand
If sitting at third base and having one of those very fast dealers who tend to want to play your hand for you, a soft 18 can bring up opportunity.
I have learned that in this situation not to play my hand quickly, no matter if the situation is hit, stand or double. Sometimes the lightening dealer will skip me by and turn their hole card. See the dealer has 19 or 20 and tell the dealer I never signaled to stay and I was just trying to make a decision on what I wanted to do.
Often the dealer will also have hit their stiff so fast that they turn that card also before I can get a protest out.
ihate17
tribute said:
If sitting at third base and having one of those very fast dealers who tend to want to play your hand for you, a soft 18 can bring up opportunity.
I have learned that in this situation not to play my hand quickly, no matter if the situation is hit, stand or double. Sometimes the lightening dealer will skip me by and turn their hole card. See the dealer has 19 or 20 and tell the dealer I never signaled to stay and I was just trying to make a decision on what I wanted to do.
Often the dealer will also have hit their stiff so fast that they turn that card also before I can get a protest out.
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