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Stealth Bomber
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Funny ..... that NEVER happens to me! I always get a 10! Maybe you just need a different colored rabbits foot. 
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)))) lolCounter - Intelligence
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...and I get the deuce on the doubled 10 too! Wow I though it was just ME!
Blame the dealer he's the one who shuffled and dealt the cards.
Blame the dealer he's the one who shuffled and dealt the cards.
Because it's true.
Since larger bets are so important, we tend to watch the results very closely while minimum bets recieve little attention because they are insignificant(or less significant). This is NOT your imagination(or mine),you really are getting more aces than usual on a double down of 11 with larger bets.
On the same token,ever notice how many times the dealer often shows a devastaing ace more frequently right after we seem to put out larger bets? It's the same as above and not a voodoo belief.
Anyway,it'something to think about and not let it bother you wondering why that damn ace seems to shows up all the time where you least need it.
Tom
Since larger bets are so important, we tend to watch the results very closely while minimum bets recieve little attention because they are insignificant(or less significant). This is NOT your imagination(or mine),you really are getting more aces than usual on a double down of 11 with larger bets.
On the same token,ever notice how many times the dealer often shows a devastaing ace more frequently right after we seem to put out larger bets? It's the same as above and not a voodoo belief.
Anyway,it'something to think about and not let it bother you wondering why that damn ace seems to shows up all the time where you least need it.
Tom
Stealth Bomber
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Because it's true during a high C.
During my last session, I had a D say to me; "I don't understand why you continue to torture yourself by playing 2 hands sometimes. Every time you do it, I get an ace and you take insurance on bad hands. Don't you know you're messing up the flow of the cards when you do that!? I don't understand why you keep killing yourself like that." I said; "NONSENSE!" We started to get into a debate about it. I felt like she was trying to hard to figure out what I was doing, so I left while down about 20 units.
During my last session, I had a D say to me; "I don't understand why you continue to torture yourself by playing 2 hands sometimes. Every time you do it, I get an ace and you take insurance on bad hands. Don't you know you're messing up the flow of the cards when you do that!? I don't understand why you keep killing yourself like that." I said; "NONSENSE!" We started to get into a debate about it. I felt like she was trying to hard to figure out what I was doing, so I left while down about 20 units.
LV Bear
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Stupid dealer comments
Don't you know you're messing up the flow of the cards when you do that!? ... We started to get into a debate about it.
To try to get into an intelligent discussion with someone who believe in "the flow of the cards" is usually impossible. To get into details about your play with any casino employee is usually -EV.
You were wise to leave.
Don't you know you're messing up the flow of the cards when you do that!? ... We started to get into a debate about it.
To try to get into an intelligent discussion with someone who believe in "the flow of the cards" is usually impossible. To get into details about your play with any casino employee is usually -EV.
You were wise to leave.
Re: Because it's true during a high C.
I've had a few dealers instigate I was messing up the flow and getting greedy(often play 2 hands after a win). These dealers actually start complaining before the ploppies do. Now that'll really piss you off. Needless to say I avoid these types before going on tilt.
Tom
I've had a few dealers instigate I was messing up the flow and getting greedy(often play 2 hands after a win). These dealers actually start complaining before the ploppies do. Now that'll really piss you off. Needless to say I avoid these types before going on tilt.
Tom
The Thing to Keep in Mind...
is that convincing people that you are a bad player is a GOOD thing. Although it kind of hurts the old ego, you've got to keep telling yourself that the more people that believe you are a bad player the better off you are in the long run.
You have to be able to laugh things off. This is very tough to do when losing, but you've got to pretend you're having a great time and that it's only money.
is that convincing people that you are a bad player is a GOOD thing. Although it kind of hurts the old ego, you've got to keep telling yourself that the more people that believe you are a bad player the better off you are in the long run.
You have to be able to laugh things off. This is very tough to do when losing, but you've got to pretend you're having a great time and that it's only money.
You get more tens than aces, you just remember the aces more because they are burned into your memory. Any double down of an eleven that is hit with a ten is a non-event. That's why you doubled in a high count. You can't even trust your own recall of the game due to the high degree of pain inflicted by the game. Correct play is rewarded at only a small edge over the house. A huge edge is 2%. Dealing with negative reinforcement is a huge part of playing the game.
That being said, I feel the same way myself.
That being said, I feel the same way myself.
The flow!!!!
I have been playing at a place where they so far have been very tolerant of my play, spreading green 1-10, going to two hands at times, and wonging out. I should say the house is tolerant but being a place with a ton of regulars there are players who do not want to play at the same table as me and have given me a nickname which some day will probably help get me barred.
I am unoffically known as the Queen of the Anti Flow, I like it, it is an ego boost, but know it help lead to my search for other games. So I have decided to just go ahead and play till they say no more BJ or something to me.
As far as those dealers who lecture you about the flow, do not forget that many of them play themselves and just because they are dealers does not mean they are advantage players. They live in a ploppy universe where their tips and general peace on their tables depend upon all players paying homage to the sacred flow and they feel responsible and must inform the non believer. There will be a negative count soon, so wong out, if not the relief dealer will be coming shortly.
Victoria aka (Queen of the Anti Flow)
I have been playing at a place where they so far have been very tolerant of my play, spreading green 1-10, going to two hands at times, and wonging out. I should say the house is tolerant but being a place with a ton of regulars there are players who do not want to play at the same table as me and have given me a nickname which some day will probably help get me barred.
I am unoffically known as the Queen of the Anti Flow, I like it, it is an ego boost, but know it help lead to my search for other games. So I have decided to just go ahead and play till they say no more BJ or something to me.
As far as those dealers who lecture you about the flow, do not forget that many of them play themselves and just because they are dealers does not mean they are advantage players. They live in a ploppy universe where their tips and general peace on their tables depend upon all players paying homage to the sacred flow and they feel responsible and must inform the non believer. There will be a negative count soon, so wong out, if not the relief dealer will be coming shortly.
Victoria aka (Queen of the Anti Flow)
Reputation
Vicky,I dont think it's a good idea to have a reputation of being known to mess up ploppies games,especially if it's at a casino you enjoy and visit frequently. I try to get along and joke with everybody(if possible)and will often stay on my stiff hands against dealer bust cards during negative counts even though my index number says hit. These are marginable plays during my minimum bet and not hitting has an insignificant -ev%. In other words I'm giving up very little to keep the ploppies(and pit boss?)happy.
However during high counts I make my play as it is called for without getting many dirty looks. From my experience ploppies dont seem to care if we stay on 15v10,16v10,12v2,etc. or double on 10v10,8v6,etc. It's the "You took the dealers bust card" they complain about most of the time,which usally happens in negative counts when we deviate from basic strategy. If I were you,I'd take less hits during negative counts against the dealers up card more often to keep the damn FLOW going and ploppies happy.
We as card counters should get try to get along with ploppies when possible,after all,they pay our wages:$)
Good luck,
Tom
Vicky,I dont think it's a good idea to have a reputation of being known to mess up ploppies games,especially if it's at a casino you enjoy and visit frequently. I try to get along and joke with everybody(if possible)and will often stay on my stiff hands against dealer bust cards during negative counts even though my index number says hit. These are marginable plays during my minimum bet and not hitting has an insignificant -ev%. In other words I'm giving up very little to keep the ploppies(and pit boss?)happy.
However during high counts I make my play as it is called for without getting many dirty looks. From my experience ploppies dont seem to care if we stay on 15v10,16v10,12v2,etc. or double on 10v10,8v6,etc. It's the "You took the dealers bust card" they complain about most of the time,which usally happens in negative counts when we deviate from basic strategy. If I were you,I'd take less hits during negative counts against the dealers up card more often to keep the damn FLOW going and ploppies happy.
We as card counters should get try to get along with ploppies when possible,after all,they pay our wages:$)
Good luck,
Tom
Counter - Intelligence
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Re: Stupid dealer comments
I had a dealer look at me as I insured a 16 with a max bet out, "why would you insure a hand you have to hit anyway?" My response (with a sheepish shrug) "It was just a hunch". Of course then I had to listen to the dealer's personal lessons on the best way to play BJ for the rest of the shoe.
I had a dealer look at me as I insured a 16 with a max bet out, "why would you insure a hand you have to hit anyway?" My response (with a sheepish shrug) "It was just a hunch". Of course then I had to listen to the dealer's personal lessons on the best way to play BJ for the rest of the shoe.
Re: Reputation
Tom
It is in the good counts and with the BS players where the problem generally comes up. Like you, I am very willing to play BS on most marginal moves in negative counts just to keep peace and attention away when my minimum bet is out there. Now the BS players there are for the most part, typical BS players, probably knowing 75% of basic strategy, but when they feel you should always hit 15vs10 (they go both ways on 16) and you do not, the one time it helps the dealer is always remembered. The absolute worst thing that can be done in the positive count is going from one to two hands, comments used to flow even before a card was dealt. Now, I think they know me as a crazy player and either decide to play or leave but they are not surprised.
Anyway, just wanted to make it clear that neg counts are not really the problem except when I wong out.
Tom
It is in the good counts and with the BS players where the problem generally comes up. Like you, I am very willing to play BS on most marginal moves in negative counts just to keep peace and attention away when my minimum bet is out there. Now the BS players there are for the most part, typical BS players, probably knowing 75% of basic strategy, but when they feel you should always hit 15vs10 (they go both ways on 16) and you do not, the one time it helps the dealer is always remembered. The absolute worst thing that can be done in the positive count is going from one to two hands, comments used to flow even before a card was dealt. Now, I think they know me as a crazy player and either decide to play or leave but they are not surprised.
Anyway, just wanted to make it clear that neg counts are not really the problem except when I wong out.
Re: the flow
I guess one of the keys for the sacred FLOW for us, is to at least give it some positive lip service in order to appear as just another vodoo believing ploppy. The good thing is that it often is easy (even though I am the destroyer of the flow) since just about every believer in the flow will do things like take a hit, sit out a hand, spread to another hand all to just change the flow. Loose a hand with the count skyrocketing, I need to change the flow, so I spread to two hands. Count goes bad, I will change the flow for everyone else by wonging out.
We do need to respect the religions of others and theirs is the flow, but not to respect it so much that it cost us real EV.
Victoria
I guess one of the keys for the sacred FLOW for us, is to at least give it some positive lip service in order to appear as just another vodoo believing ploppy. The good thing is that it often is easy (even though I am the destroyer of the flow) since just about every believer in the flow will do things like take a hit, sit out a hand, spread to another hand all to just change the flow. Loose a hand with the count skyrocketing, I need to change the flow, so I spread to two hands. Count goes bad, I will change the flow for everyone else by wonging out.
We do need to respect the religions of others and theirs is the flow, but not to respect it so much that it cost us real EV.
Victoria
Re: Reputation
Your experiences have been different than mine. I play at many different casinos all over the country and have noticed (in general) far less complaining by players during high counts when I double or dont hit stiffs(leave the bust card for the dealer? many ploppies feel this voodoo belief has merit. The worst case scenario is during negative counts when hitting stiffs against a bust card and getting the ten,as a result the dealer will often make a good hand and beat the whole table. That's what seems to get me the nastiest looks.
I find an ideal time to spread to 2 hands during plus counts without much attention is after the dealer gets a blackjack,is beating up the whole table or when someone leaves(or sits out). This happens quite frequently and I take advantage of these situations all the time.
I guess we all have different tactics,beliefs and experiences of what works best and what we're trying to achieve. The only thing I can tell you is what seems to work best for me and what I'm trying to achieve,which is $erinity.
Tom
Your experiences have been different than mine. I play at many different casinos all over the country and have noticed (in general) far less complaining by players during high counts when I double or dont hit stiffs(leave the bust card for the dealer?
many ploppies feel this voodoo belief has merit. The worst case scenario is during negative counts when hitting stiffs against a bust card and getting the ten,as a result the dealer will often make a good hand and beat the whole table. That's what seems to get me the nastiest looks.I find an ideal time to spread to 2 hands during plus counts without much attention is after the dealer gets a blackjack,is beating up the whole table or when someone leaves(or sits out). This happens quite frequently and I take advantage of these situations all the time.
I guess we all have different tactics,beliefs and experiences of what works best and what we're trying to achieve. The only thing I can tell you is what seems to work best for me and what I'm trying to achieve,which is $erinity.
Tom