Why open a can of rotten worms?

Stealth and the few others that are attempting to make us card counters somehow go public with demands and rules about blackjack by trying to create a disturbance within the casinos and gaming co. You guy's will only be giving us card counters a bad rap,that's all.

Nobody gives a damn about our game,not even the ploppies. We are a very SMALL minority and certainly dont want to open up a big can of public worms appearing as if we're all over the place making threats.

WE choose to remain the silent needle in a haystack that pokes and pricks at casinos with a small mouth, not a BIG one. If a casino accidently kicks out a ploppy or card counter for winning too much money then it's by their own stupidity,life goes on,and so do we.

You dont want to give us a worse reputation than we already have,do you?

Antonio Scarpele
 

The Mayor

Well-Known Member
Interesting to post these thoughts here ... you may not know that I am 100% in favor of player's rights. My podiums often argue that advantage players should have full playing rights in casinos, and I have often spoken about the benefits this potentially has for casinos if they use us as part of their marketing.

This issue is certainly divisive, but one thing you should know, the top players are not the least bit threatened by this. The best games are not going to be ruined by turning every last BJ game in Las Vegas into an 8 deck shoe with 60 penetration. And those players who don't know what I mean by this last sentence will get what they get, and that's fine too.

--Mayor
 

Stealth Bomber

Well-Known Member
Certainly valid concerns A. S.. At least we finally got you thinking and talking about it.

It's not just about card counters. It's about reversing the declining conditions and keeping all the games more fair to all who play them.

The big questions are: 1) Can it be done with success? 2) Will we lose ground in the attempt? 3) What is the cost? 4) What does everyone stand to gain as a result?

A.S., I believe the few others you mentioned are noted below. Some are showing more interest than others. Maybe they will clarify their intent and beliefs. Keep in mind that we are still just testing some ideas here. Nobody's doing anything yet.

Chappy
Stealth Bomber
Golden
misfitcounter
LVBear584
AK(s)
blue eved samurai
Rob McGarvey
OldCootFromVA
Kool
Mini-me

I certainly value the opinions of all my friends here at cc.com. Let us hear your thoughts, concerns, opinions, etc.

Thanks:

Stealth B
 

Scarpele

New Member
You're talking about fair games? If you cant buck a typical -.5 blackjack edge that casinos have,then you need to improve your own game,not the casinos.

You say you want the game to be fair for ploppies also,what's fair a 0% edge? They would still figure out a way to lose.

Carnival games come and go,it's been like this for years,Golden Nugget has already done away with all 6/5 blackjack. Casinos are always testing the water with new fruitloops. When ploppies get tired of playing them because of losing too much money,casinos get rid of the games.

In the real world there are only a handfull of pro card counters that are a threat,casinos know this,we're just needles in a haystack.

"The big questions are:

1) Can it be done with success?

Unlikely.

2) Will we lose ground in the attempt?

Very likely

3) What is the cost?

If you and Mayor want to try and change your world,you can higher about 10 thousand ploppies to pose as pro card counters who are barred and have them march in the streets of Vegas with picket signs saying "WE DESEVRE TO PLAY!" "NO MORE 6/5 BLACKJACK!!" "95% PENN!!" and so forth.

4) What does everyone stand to gain as a result?

Absolutely nothing.
 

Stealth Bomber

Well-Known Member
Is it really just a can of rotten worms?

Scarpele, you're so negative on the issue. I'll take what you said as a vote 'AGAINST', but I appreciate your showing of your interest and concerns. Maybe in the future, you will have a different perspective.

Okay, as for the rest of you guys, it's not really all that frightening is it? It's not either pro life or pro choice. It's not gun control either. It's just; 'FOR', 'AGAINST' or 'UNCERTAIN'.

It's quite a simple idea: We reward the casinos that are good and we penalize the casinos that are bad. It's based on their gaming rules, comps, service and treatment of the patrons. It's all done very professionally through different forms of media, ie. billboards, internet sites/newsletters, magazines, flyers, picketing. It will take some wizardry, $ and effort for its success. This is not about card counters trying to force the casinos into having to do what ever us card counters want.

I have stuck my foot into the water and it's not so bad . My take is; if it's done properly, it will be successful. Come on, who are our fearless leaders? We want to hear from you. :)

SB
 
we often tend to shoot for the foot

I agree that we true blackjack enthusiasts are best served by being as unobtrusive and inconspicuous as possible.

I feel, in fact, that we hurt ourselves merely by many of our posts on blackjack sites. Cellini tells us that casino personel read these sites habitually.

We really do not significantly hurt casinos, in my opinion. But we tend to brag about wins more than we report losses, so we give casino personnel readers a falsely elevated sense of the real threat we pose. Often the impression is given that the game is easy to beat. That, if you can count, winning is a sure thing, and the money just flows. And many posters are gratuitously hostile and insulting to casino personnel. Wonder why they in turn are hostile towards us?

By these types of communication we doubtlessly contribute to the deterioration of game conditions.

JL
 
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