wonging in with a whale to benefit casino.

[Ferretnparrot]

I had a curious thought this week, about how when you wong in and out it has an effect on other players at the table in relation to how many cards they are exposed to before the shuffle.

Most of us understand how it hurts them a bit long term, so I was thinking. What if the contrast between the bet sizes of the wonging player and the exhisting player were huge.

I think a ratio of only 3:1 is enough, but imagine this scenario....

Player A is a BS player playing one hand all day long, he's just chilling betting 1000/hnd at a disandvantage of 0.5% average, however, un beknownst to him he's currently playing at a 1% edge using BS

Now player B hops in the game midshoe with and avantage of 1%. And begins betting 100/hnd

Now player A will receive only 2/3. Of the rounds he would have before.

If there was enough cards for 9 rounds of him playing 1k. He would have an ev of 90 dollars from the casinos pocket
Now that the new player came in he will only see 6 rounds. And lose 60. This saves the casino 30 dollars

The only expense to the casino is to let the wonging player drop his 100 dollar bets for 6 hands, a whopping 6 dollars of average loss.

Had the wonging player never joined, the exhisting player would have won 150%more from the casinos pocket, so in this way, the money earned by the advantage player doesn't actually come from the casino, and he in fact increases their hold by protecting the cards from being dealt to other players who are betting more.

So all casinos should boot the spread bettors and let wonging players play all day so long as their bets are smaller than other players bets by a fixed ratio. They should also employ them to run around the casino and consume cards during key moments.

 

[Midwestern]

good observation--

but the only critique i might add is that whales of that size are not that frequent (at least where i play) on wongable tables...

they would prefer to hang in a HL room and be the only guy at a tbl so that no one chews up their cards.

 

[Ferretnparrot]

Yes, I agree, the player betting 1k would be very rare at a common wongable table, I am just using that as an easy to look at example.

I think the effect will carry over though for smaller contrasts, say a player wonging in two hands of 100 dollar bets at a table with three players betting 200/hnd.

I think this is a more common scenario, regardless though the concept is still valid and would result in the casino not simply losing money to the counter, but also saving money on the other players. The previous example shows that the casino could benefit from a wonging player, perhaps in this example the casinos sees now change in EV from all players together and the wonging player is still not a threat.

ill put by this one too just to see what happens

3 players can get 10 rounds at 600 total bet between all three players each round at a 1% edge they have an EV of +60

now a new player sits down and opens 2 spots of 100ea now the players should only see 6.6 rounds
Our exhisting three players will put 4000 dollars into action and stand to make +40 EV...a difference of 20 dollars

The new player playing 100x2 stands to put $1,320 into action average for an ev of +13.2

again as a net, the casino benefits by 6.8 dollars average