wonging out

[sagefr0g]

i have what i consider my 'ideal' game plan for the blackjack games i most commonly play. those being 6d s17daslsr , 6d s17das & rarely 8d s17daslsr .
every thing works pretty smooth with this game plan except one facet.
that being probably one of the most important facet ie. wonging out.
in my game plan i wong out if the tc<-1 at any time and also when >= 2 decks have been dealt and the tc<= 0 then i wong out.
when i go over my game plan playing on the computer and doing memory practice it's no problem. in the casinos it's a differant story.
i suppose it's a mainly 'heat' stress thing for me. by that i mean one has to wong out so often that one begins feeling as if this must look pretty ridiculous to the pit and other players.
i've a thought that perhaps i might cut the wonging out by about a third and perhaps increase my bet spread a bit to compensate. i haven't any idea how much i should raise the spread to compensate however. any one have any ideas on this?

best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[dacium]

You can wong all you want if you aren't spreading.

I do only 1 unit and 2 units bets and wong even at 0, so for the start of every shoe im not in. You should stay in multiplayer 6 deck if the TC<0 just wong because if it does return high near the end of the deck you are missing out badly. It only takes 1 or 2 hands when there is 1.5 decks left for the count to jump bigtime back to positive. I had -8 last night and it ended up +6 for the last 4 hands.

 

[BJLover]

You can wong all you want if you aren't spreading.

I do only 1 unit and 2 units bets and wong even at 0, so for the start of every shoe im not in. You should stay in multiplayer 6 deck if the TC<0 just wong because if it does return high near the end of the deck you are missing out badly. It only takes 1 or 2 hands when there is 1.5 decks left for the count to jump bigtime back to positive. I had -8 last night and it ended up +6 for the last 4 hands.

hi there, i would love to be able to wong in/out when ever the count went good/poor, but the casino i go to only has 2 tables, so its ok to wong in once at the start of the session and wong out maybe a couple of times, but the thing is when i wong out somebody jumps into my space say if i i take a "toilet break", and i might not get a space back for an hour or so, so back to sagefrogs question, how much would i have increase my bet spread to offset not being able to wong out regulary.

 

[sagefr0g]

You can wong all you want if you aren't spreading.

I do only 1 unit and 2 units bets and wong even at 0, so for the start of every shoe im not in.

i understand the part about not playing the first few rounds or so but i'm not understanding what you are saying about "I do only 1 unit and 2 units bets".

You should stay in multiplayer 6 deck if the TC<0 just wong because if it does return high near the end of the deck you are missing out badly. It only takes 1 or 2 hands when there is 1.5 decks left for the count to jump bigtime back to positive. I had -8 last night and it ended up +6 for the last 4 hands.

i'm a little lost here. it sounds as if your saying wong out and then wong back in. it that what you mean?
i suspected that many of the shoes i'd been wonging out of had turned around and went positive once i'd left.

best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[Preston]

hi there, i would love to be able to wong in/out when ever the count went good/poor, but the casino i go to only has 2 tables, so its ok to wong in once at the start of the session and wong out maybe a couple of times, but the thing is when i wong out somebody jumps into my space say if i i take a "toilet break", and i might not get a space back for an hour or so, so back to sagefrogs question, how much would i have increase my bet spread to offset not being able to wong out regulary.

At the casinos I've played if I excuse myself for a toilet break I ask if I can just leave my chips there because I will be back in a few minutes. I usually guess how much of the shoe is left and that is how long I will stay away. If I come back and the shoe isn't over I ask if they wouldn't mind if I waited until next shoe to come back in "because I don't want to throw off the cards."

It kinda sucks tho as you won't be wonging on the next shoe and will be going in blind.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

i have what i consider my 'ideal' game plan for the blackjack games i most commonly play. those being 6d s17daslsr , 6d s17das & rarely 8d s17daslsr .
every thing works pretty smooth with this game plan except one facet.
that being probably one of the most important facet ie. wonging out.
in my game plan i wong out if the tc<-1 at any time and also when >= 2 decks have been dealt and the tc<= 0 then i wong out.
when i go over my game plan playing on the computer and doing memory practice it's no problem. in the casinos it's a differant story.
i suppose it's a mainly 'heat' stress thing for me. by that i mean one has to wong out so often that one begins feeling as if this must look pretty ridiculous to the pit and other players.
i've a thought that perhaps i might cut the wonging out by about a third and perhaps increase my bet spread a bit to compensate. i haven't any idea how much i should raise the spread to compensate however. any one have any ideas on this?

best regards,
mr fr0g

Great questions. First thing to remember is that looking ridiculous doesn't matter. Look how ridiculous they look standing on 16 vs. 7 and all that.

My drunk act works pretty well with Wonging. Not only am I Wonging to the bathroom, but running after the waitress, to the bar, and a couple of times I've even run to the men's room with my hand over my mouth as if I had to vomit. (Sometimes I get this feeling just because of the cards.) Other times I jump up and talk on my cell phone, cursing and berating an imaginary wife.

Another trick I like is getting to the table just as a hand is being dealt, and if the count went a bit positive, sit down, and tell the players I'm not going to jump in the game until the dealer loses. This can spare me from playing a few negative EV hands and I have some maneuverability as to how bad the dealer has to lose vs. how good the count is getting.

If you're going to play all, I'd go with a spread of at least 1-20, assuming a spread like that will earn you less heat than Wonging in/out with a lower spread. Another thing that will help a lot if you are playing all is some basic shuffle tracking and cut-card control.

 

[sagefr0g]

Great questions. First thing to remember is that looking ridiculous doesn't matter. Look how ridiculous they look standing on 16 vs. 7 and all that.

right, truth of the matter i haven't recieved any heat over wonging out it's in my own mind at this point.

My drunk act works pretty well with Wonging. Not only am I Wonging to the bathroom, but running after the waitress, to the bar, and a couple of times I've even run to the men's room with my hand over my mouth as if I had to vomit. (Sometimes I get this feeling just because of the cards.) Other times I jump up and talk on my cell phone, cursing and berating an imaginary wife.

yep, i've used most of those tactics but not the drunk act. i go for the dim witted moron act. comes naturally for me :joker: .

Another trick I like is getting to the table just as a hand is being dealt, and if the count went a bit positive, sit down, and tell the players I'm not going to jump in the game until the dealer loses. This can spare me from playing a few negative EV hands and I have some maneuverability as to how bad the dealer has to lose vs. how good the count is getting.

i've just started using that one. i like it.

If you're going to play all, I'd go with a spread of at least 1-20, assuming a spread like that will earn you less heat than Wonging in/out with a lower spread. Another thing that will help a lot if you are playing all is some basic shuffle tracking and cut-card control.

yea i was thinking of mixing in some play all with the wong out and some very limited wong in. unfortunately spreading 1-20 would be beyond my means. my bankroll is just approaching seven grand and want to keep my ROR near 1%.
i only play nickle tables unless wonging in.
but my spread has been 1-8 while i've been wonging as originally described.
i was hoping i could pull off a spread of 1-10 for limited play all (say one third of my over all play) and then continue my regular wonging activity two thirds of the time. something like that. hmm it just occurred to me that i should be able to use Sonny's Bet Spread spreadsheet to analyse how this might work out.

best regards,
mr fr0g