Wonging out

[xxrenegadexx]

I have a friend with me who knows basic strategy...... he doesnt have a large bankroll so he really cant bet much more on the positive counts..... When the rc reaches -8 we leave the table and have a cigarette. I was hoping one of you math guys would tell me if he has cut the casino odds to nothing.... again he flat bets but every time the rc gets bad we leave the table... thank you in advance

 

[21forme]

The answer depends on which counting system you use and what the IRC is.

 

[xxrenegadexx]

hi-low

 

[ScottH]

I have a friend with me who knows basic strategy...... he doesnt have a large bankroll so he really cant bet much more on the positive counts..... When the rc reaches -8 we leave the table and have a cigarette. I was hoping one of you math guys would tell me if he has cut the casino odds to nothing.... again he flat bets but every time the rc gets bad we leave the table... thank you in advance

It probably depends on #decks and rules, but I would think he is still playing with a disadvantage if he flat-bets but wongs out.

 

[xxrenegadexx]

six decks standard rules so so pen.

 

[21forme]

I'd leave at TC = -1.5, so depends on how many decks remain. So at RC = -8, I'd leave at about 1.5 decks played

 

[Dyepaintball12]

I know what RC means, but what is IRC?

 

[21forme]

IRC is Initial Running Count, which for HiLo should be 0, but for other counts it may not be.

 

[Renzey]

I have a friend who doesnt have a large bankroll so he really cant bet much more on the positive counts..... When the R/C reaches -8 we leave the table. I was hoping one of you math guys would tell me if he has cut the casino odds to nothing

Ran two quick sims for 6 decks, S17, DOA, DAS, 4.25 decks dealt. Basic strategy EV = -.42%.

SIM #1:
Flat bet all the way, but wong out at a Hi/Lo R/C of -8 or greater (11% of all hands). EV = -.17%.

SIM #2:
Same as above, but stand on 16 vs. 10 at R/C of +1 or greater (44% frequency), and bet 2 units at R/C of +6 or greater (18% frequency). EV = +.07%.

 

[xxrenegadexx]

Ran two quick sims for 6 decks, S17, DOA, DAS, 4.25 decks dealt. Basic strategy EV = -.42%.

SIM #1:
Flat bet all the way, but wong out at a Hi/Lo R/C of -8 or greater (11% of all hands). EV = -.17%.

SIM #2:
Same as above, but stand on 16 vs. 10 at R/C of +1 or greater (44% frequency), and bet 2 units at R/C of +6 or greater (18% frequency). EV = +.07%.

good sh*t ... thank you

 

[EasyRhino]

Renegade, if you're already that rigorous about wonging about, what about just wonging in, even with a count of +1 or something modest, and wonging out at 0?

 

[moo321]

Or wong in at +2, wong out at any negative count, and play with a pretty strong edge. There are lots of fun options for people on short bankrolls. Wong-in and play 3 hands at a $5 table, etc.

 

[xxrenegadexx]

Renegade, if you're already that rigorous about wonging about, what about just wonging in, even with a count of +1 or something modest, and wonging out at 0?

the tables are packed

 

[xxrenegadexx]

i keep my spot at the table leaving chips/ players card and go have a smoke come back at the top of the next shoe