Worst dealer mistake I've come across..

[shadroch]

happened this week in a Downtown casino. I'm playing one on one and I jokingly say I'm going to split my ten -six against the dealers eight. He says go ahead.I split about half my hands for the next thirty minutes, and win some decent coin. A guy sits down and the dealer asks him if he wants to split his hand. The guy says you can't do that and I say of course you can,go ahead. He insists on calling over the pitboss and when told that he can only split equal cards he looks at me and says- you have no idea how to play this game ,do you? A few hands later,I hit a 7,2 against a 10, draw a 2 and put out money for a double down. I draw a ten but the guy insists on calling a pitboss over as I'm not allowed to do this. I very politely suggest to the man that he switch tables and if I run into him elsewhere that we'll have a very interesting conversation about what happens to snitchs in my part of NYC. Pitboss comes over and declares the hand dead, and refunds all bets.

 

[callipygian]

I very politely suggest to the man that he switch tables and if I run into him elsewhere that we'll have a very interesting conversation about what happens to snitchs in my part of NYC.

Snitch is a pretty generous term to use.

 

[Mimosine]

Shaddy, if we ever meet I'll have one of these in hand for you:

(Dead link: http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=542994)
or
http://www.zazzle.com/snitches_get_stitches_shirt-235659026925253979

god damn you should have smoked that fool!

 

[shadroch]

Snitch is a pretty generous term to use.

snitch gets thru the obscenity filter. This is a family board.

 

[Jeff Dubya]

Trippy. Dumbest dealer on the planet?

I like those table rules, wish you could find them in more places.

 

[Mimosine]

I like those table rules, wish you could find them in more places.

Yeah, no kidding, House Edge +++ 2%!

 

[Randyk47]

I don't know if she was the worst dealer....that honor probably goes to a number of dealers in Germany....but the most interesting was a young lady in Bally's. I went heads up against her starting about 1 AM. After we'd been playing for about an hour it dawned on me she'd picked up on that I was sticking very close to BS hand after hand. Got to the point where when she had to check her hole card she'd slide the next card out either toward me or toward her hand. Of course I'd have to tell her if I wanted a hit or not but this "tell" became very useful as she unconsciously slide the card just ever so slightly toward her hand if I shouldn't hit. I honestly thought they'd pick up on her "tell" but we played for hours and she kept coming back after her breaks so it worked for me. Didn't get greedy but it was a nice steady win streak. Had never come across that situation before and haven't since....they may have eventually "retired" her.

 

[HarryKuntz]

I love dealers that get confused with hand signals and give you a card when you want to stand then after realising their mistake, give you the option of keeping it or not. At one joint I play at they have a dealer who can't add up and quite often hits his 17's, really handy I've your on first base, especially when the card is an Ace.

 

[johndoe]

I'm impressed you were able to keep your cool about that ploppie. Just unreal!

Haven't experienced too many huge mistakes, but I had a dealer forget about the shoe's cut card, and just kept going (I think dealers switched right around then). I was furious that the count was spectacularly negative at that point... grr. (She didn't deal to the bottom, but several more hands.. could have been pretty sweet.)

I also once had a dealer accidentally flash an ace from the shoe, which she tucked back in to deal for the next hand. I increased my bet dramatically, of course. (But not too greedy, lest a boss get involved.)

 

[shadroch]

I don't know if she was the worst dealer....that honor probably goes to a number of dealers in Germany....but the most interesting was a young lady in Bally's. I went heads up against her starting about 1 AM. After we'd been playing for about an hour it dawned on me she'd picked up on that I was sticking very close to BS hand after hand. Got to the point where when she had to check her hole card she'd slide the next card out either toward me or toward her hand. Of course I'd have to tell her if I wanted a hit or not but this "tell" became very useful as she unconsciously slide the card just ever so slightly toward her hand if I shouldn't hit. I honestly thought they'd pick up on her "tell" but we played for hours and she kept coming back after her breaks so it worked for me. Didn't get greedy but it was a nice steady win streak. Had never come across that situation before and haven't since....they may have eventually "retired" her.

If you are talking about any Ballys in the US, the dealer has no idea what his hole card is.All they know is if they have a BJ or not.

 

[sagefr0g]

I don't know if she was the worst dealer....that honor probably goes to a number of dealers in Germany....but the most interesting was a young lady in Bally's. I went heads up against her starting about 1 AM. After we'd been playing for about an hour it dawned on me she'd picked up on that I was sticking very close to BS hand after hand. Got to the point where when she had to check her hole card she'd slide the next card out either toward me or toward her hand. Of course I'd have to tell her if I wanted a hit or not but this "tell" became very useful as she unconsciously slide the card just ever so slightly toward her hand if I shouldn't hit. I honestly thought they'd pick up on her "tell" but we played for hours and she kept coming back after her breaks so it worked for me. Didn't get greedy but it was a nice steady win streak. Had never come across that situation before and haven't since....they may have eventually "retired" her.

i guess i'm not getting this.
it sounds like your saying maybe you use the tell to deviate from basic strategy or maybe even double down or split?
what information would she have from peeking say if she had an Ace up?
what information would she have from peeking say if she had a ten up?
i know she realizes she doesn't have a snapper.

 

[rukus]

i guess i'm not getting this.
it sounds like your saying maybe you use the tell to deviate from basic strategy or maybe even double down or split?
what information would she have from peeking say if she had an Ace up?
what information would she have from peeking say if she had a ten up?
i know she realizes she doesn't have a snapper.

if she indeed knows what her hole card is, the tell described would alert the player to whether or not the dealer had a stiff or a made hand. the player could then play a modified hole-carding strategy.

 

[Sonny]

It sounds to me like the dealer’s tell was just giving the player BS information. The dealer would indicate what she thought the proper BS play was by anticipating where the next card would be dealt. Even then, the information was very weak since it only suggested “take a card” or “don’t take a card”. It didn’t indicate whether to hit, double, split or surrender. Perhaps the most important factor is that it assumes the dealer knew the proper strategy, which I have never seen to be the case in any casino game.

Now if the dealer was flashing that next card, that would give a huge advantage if played properly.

-Sonny-

 

[shadroch]

if she indeed knows what her hole card is, the tell described would alert the player to whether or not the dealer had a stiff or a made hand. the player could then play a modified hole-carding strategy.

Thats true,but I've never played in a Ballys that the dealer would know this. Have you?

 

[ihate17]

The is your fault!

I'm impressed you were able to keep your cool about that ploppie. Just unreal!

Haven't experienced too many huge mistakes, but I had a dealer forget about the shoe's cut card, and just kept going (I think dealers switched right around then). I was furious that the count was spectacularly negative at that point... grr. (She didn't deal to the bottom, but several more hands.. could have been pretty sweet.)

I also once had a dealer accidentally flash an ace from the shoe, which she tucked back in to deal for the next hand. I increased my bet dramatically, of course. (But not too greedy, lest a boss get involved.)

Fortunately, I have been at dozens of tables where the dealer overlooks the cut card and every single time the situation gets resolved in the players favor if it gets pointed out.
You get a losing hand, you mention the cut card came out the previous hand and the hand is cancelled.
YOu get a winning hand, you do not mention the cut card and get paid.
You get a winning hand, the dealer or someone else mentions the cut card and a friendly pit will give you the option of playing or throwing in your hand.

I have never seen any other situation, so as long as you notice the cut card had come out, you should be in a no lose situation. If that casino does not see it that way, if they punish players for house mistakes, they should not get your business.

ihate17

 

[sagefr0g]

It sounds to me like the dealer’s tell was just giving the player BS information. The dealer would indicate what she thought the proper BS play was by anticipating where the next card would be dealt. Even then, the information was very weak since it only suggested “take a card” or “don’t take a card”. It didn’t indicate whether to hit, double, split or surrender. Perhaps the most important factor is that it assumes the dealer knew the proper strategy, which I have never seen to be the case in any casino game.

Now if the dealer was flashing that next card, that would give a huge advantage if played properly.

-Sonny-

still i'm confused. lets say the dealer has a ten or a face card up and peeks to see she doesn't have a snapper.
will she knows if she has a face card or a ten? i would think she would since if she had an Ace up and checked she'd know if she has a snapper or not.
so i guess she'd not know what she had in the hole if it was anything other than an Ace, ten or face card?
so actually she would have some limited useful information that could be transmitted in a tell?

 

[bjhack]

still i'm confused. lets say the dealer has a ten or a face card up and peeks to see she doesn't have a snapper.
will she knows if she has a face card or a ten? i would think she would since if she had an Ace up and checked she'd know if she has a snapper or not.
so i guess she'd not know what she had in the hole if it was anything other than an Ace, ten or face card?
so actually she would have some limited useful information that could be transmitted in a tell?

My understanding is that if the dealer is using what I believe is a mirror device, all spots other than an Ace won't show up. (Look at the position of the "A" versus other numbers on the cards - the "A" is higher than the rest). As a result, the only information the dealer has is Ace or not Ace. (BJ's dealt 10-Ace are treated differently thant Ace-10).

Other devices allow the dealer to press a button indicating Ace or 10, and evaluate for BJ - giving a deal/no deal indication.

Someone who is more expert on this can correct me, but I believe the first basically allows early surrender on a 10, while the second does not. Don't know what the house advantage change is on that.

 

[bjhack]

My worst dealer mistake I've come across, that I didn't take advantage of, was being paid 3 greens for 3 reds.

This was an otherwise fun dealer - had BS nailed, and gave out correct advice (caveat - see below) on a low limit table. She was pretty liberal with fixing card play mistakes (I saw her take back exposed cards when a player changed his/her mind).

However, the issue with her was that she also believed in the "flow of the cards", and insisted that any mid deck entry would have an impact on the cards.

 

[nottooshabby]

Not the worst mistake, but a memorable one nonetheless . . . was playing SD with a max bet out and drew an 8-6 v dealer K. The very moment I am about to walk the short plank and ask for my hit one of the other dealers comes over to show my dealer the new bracelet her boyfriend had just bought her. My dealer raises her hands ever so slightly to inspect the goods and flashes the next card, a J . . . it was so fast I barely noticed it. I said "Ya know, I just have a hunch . . . I'm gonna stay on this" (no surrender) thereby avoiding a definite loss for a probable one. Dealer flips over a three and takes the J.

 

[EasyRhino]

Nice. I was walking by a three card poker table one time when the dealer practically flagged me down with her hole card. It definitely got my attention, too bad she was just waving at a coworker.