"would you like a player's card?"

[muppet]

pb: do u have a player's card?
me: no
pb: oh, do you want one? all we need is the info on your driver's license
me: ...no?

what do you guys say when offered a player's card? and furthermore do you worry about anonymity after that conversation transpires and you hand the pb your driver's license so he can check that you're 21+? i realize the amount of action you're bringing is relevant so - my min bet is $25

one thing i have read about on here is using someone else's player's card (that is your gender and about your age). but aside from that, what do u do?

 

[Blue Efficacy]

What do I do? I allow my BJ play to get me free meals.

 

[21forme]

Just say no

That's enough 99% of the time.

If they push it say something like you don't want anyone to know you're here, or you get enough junk mail as it is.

 

[fsscout]

I think it depends on your level of play. If you are a low roller like me, a player’s card gets you coupons for match play, free meals, etc. The times I win I do slip the green chips in my pocket. Also when I play I frequently ask for a comped meal for 2 and have yet to be turned down. It has also got me a free entry into a $5,000.00 blackjack tournament. If you think that is a mistake, let me know.

If you are a pro I can see where that is an entirely different story. For those of you that do not use player cards. Are you asked your name when the pit gives you a comp and do you have to show some kind of identification when you use your comps.

Before I moved to Las Vegas in ’95 I always took at 1 or 2 trips to Las Vegas with the intent of winning money at BJ. The excuse I used when asked if I wanted a player’s card was “I’m only here for a couple days visiting friends, so it doesn’t make sense getting a card. Have no idea when or if I’ll ever be back.” That always worked. Unfortunately at that time I didn’t realize you could get comped without a card, so I never asked.

 

[FLASH1296]

Anyone who is a "refusal" is automatically going to draw the attention of the Pit Boss unless betting minimally.

Anyone who "refuses" and bets significant money is a "suspicious" character.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Anyone who is a "refusal" is automatically going to draw the attention of the Pit Boss unless betting minimally.

Anyone who "refuses" and bets significant money is a "suspicious" character.

Yes. If I am playing in my East Coast stores, I always have a player's card 1) because the comps are part of my EV and 2) my play is tailored for longevity in these stores thus playing as a refusal will just screw me up.

If I'm beating on single deck out in Reno, I've all to do to last my 20-30 minutes per store per shift, so I'm always a refusal because I'm being scrutinized anyway. Not having any info on file will make it easier to come back tomorrow if I get douched out today, and make it easier to come back in the future and get a clean player's card should some special opportunity arise.

to muppet: if you are anywhere near 21, do not get involved with any kind of false ID. That's a situation where casino security will step aside and let the police get involved, because the fines for serving an underage patron are real, and significant to them. So earn your stripes as a rated player and/or refusal, and enjoy the comps.

 

[kewljason]

Anyone who is a "refusal" is automatically going to draw the attention of the Pit Boss unless betting minimally.

Anyone who "refuses" and bets significant money is a "suspicious" character.

I rarely play rated anymore. I agree with Monkey. I want them to have as little info as possible. Playing in Vegas, I don't need comped rooms anymore as I live there parttime. Meals? I'll gladly pay for my own.

It used to be I was toning my play down in a few places that I play rated so that I could get comps. On average, I make $75/per 100 hands (depending on the game of course, doubledeck = more), so if I tone my spread down to accumulate comps and my EV drops to $40/100 hands, it has cost me $35 in hard cash to "earn" a comp for $15 for an overpriced sandwich. No thanx. I'll pay for my own sandwich. The same goes for comped rooms. If I toned my play down for 3 or 4 hours to earn a comped room, that would cost me $150 in EV. Rooms in AC are going for $39 during the week, Vegas not much more. You are better off playing unrated, at full strength and paying for the room.

As for your comment about playing unrated = suspicious character. I play a hit and run style and buy in for very small amounts. 4 units. ($100) So they don't think much of me playing unrated. If they ask, I just say, No thanx, I'm only playing a couple hands.

That being said, I did recently play rated some in Vegas so that I could earn some comps to use for rooms and food on a recent reno trip. But when I played in reno, I played unrated. I am also still playing rated at one AC property that I have received decent comps from for many years. On my current trip, I have stopped toning my spread down at this location as I have done in the past. If this means my future comps dry up, so be it. It's just cheaper to play full spread, and pay for things than to toned down EV while playing for comps. Especially right now, while rooms and things are so discounted. Of course, I am only speaking of my level and situation. Someone playing at a larger level and earning free airfare ect, that could be a different story. If I ever get to that level, I'll have to evaluate the situation.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Being a "local" at the casinos I play at, and a red chipper, it would be foolhardy to not play rated. The free rooms, free cash coupons, matchplays and food comps easily make it worth it. I am a familiar face, so if I became barred I wouldn't easily sneak back in there anyway.

Unless you are playing for serious cash, the player card is always worth it if you plan to play a store for any decent length of time with any sort of regularity. If you are a high limit player you're going to be scrutinized anyway, so in this case it might be better if they don't know who you are, and the price of rooms and food, etc becomes a smaller % of your ev.

Furthermore, if you're not going to play there regularly, or for very long, who cares how suspicious they are when you refuse your player card?

 

[muppet]

i'm mostly just worried about casino personnel seeing that i've won x dollars over y period of time and getting barred b/c of that. there are no casinos where i live so i have been driving/flying out twice a month more or less to reno or vegas

to muppet: if you are anywhere near 21, do not get involved with any kind of false ID. That's a situation where casino security will step aside and let the police get involved, because the fines for serving an underage patron are real, and significant to them. So earn your stripes as a rated player and/or refusal, and enjoy the comps.

err are you referring to if i'm under 21? i am over but i look young enough to be carded most of the time

 

[muppet]

I rarely play rated anymore. I agree with Monkey. I want them to have as little info as possible. Playing in Vegas, I don't need comped rooms anymore as I live there parttime. Meals? I'll gladly pay for my own.

It used to be I was toning my play down in a few places that I play rated so that I could get comps. On average, I make $75/per 100 hands (depending on the game of course, doubledeck = more), so if I tone my spread down to accumulate comps and my EV drops to $40/100 hands, it has cost me $35 in hard cash to "earn" a comp for $15 for an overpriced sandwich. No thanx. I'll pay for my own sandwich. The same goes for comped rooms. If I toned my play down for 3 or 4 hours to earn a comped room, that would cost me $150 in EV. Rooms in AC are going for $39 during the week, Vegas not much more. You are better off playing unrated, at full strength and paying for the room.

As for your comment about playing unrated = suspicious character. I play a hit and run style and buy in for very small amounts. 4 units. ($100) So they don't think much of me playing unrated. If they ask, I just say, No thanx, I'm only playing a couple hands.

That being said, I did recently play rated some in Vegas so that I could earn some comps to use for rooms and food on a recent reno trip. But when I played in reno, I played unrated. I am also still playing rated at one AC property that I have received decent comps from for many years. On my current trip, I have stopped toning my spread down at this location as I have done in the past. If this means my future comps dry up, so be it. It's just cheaper to play full spread, and pay for things than to toned down EV while playing for comps. Especially right now, while rooms and things are so discounted. Of course, I am only speaking of my level and situation. Someone playing at a larger level and earning free airfare ect, that could be a different story. If I ever get to that level, I'll have to evaluate the situation.

buy-in for 4 units? hmm that is not a bad idea. then, if you win you can ride it out to the big bets later on or look like a gambler pulling out more 100s when you lose the initial buy-in.

how do you play so often and not have the pit bosses recognize you? i guess i should have shorter sessions..i have a bad habit of sitting down and staying until i'm up a decent amount, or hungry (mostly i just find it hard to justify to myself that i should get up and walk to the next casino). it seems there's no heat when you're losing.. last trip i found that i could sit there for hours winning chips - with no heat - as long as i was drinking

 

[prankster]

"Just say no":joker::joker::joker:

 

[DMMx3]

i'm mostly just worried about casino personnel seeing that i've won x dollars over y period of time and getting barred b/c of that.

Rathole.

 

[muppet]

Rathole.

then i get worried about surveillance seeing that..

 

[bigplayer]

Refusals...what to say.

what do you guys say when offered a player's card?
one thing i have read about on here is using someone else's player's card (that is your gender and about your age). but aside from that, what do u do?

If you don't want to be rated just say no I don't want one. You can tell the pit you already have a card but you're just stopping by and don't want to ruin your trip average with a short session. If you're at Harrah's you can use it as an opportunity to bitch about how they don't give table players enough points to justify the invasion of your privacy.

If you're a high stakes player being unrated is asking for them to review you closely so you should just bet real low until you get a real monster count and then blast away and leave immediately and come back on another shift to cash out or just hang onto the chips for several days later on a completely different shift (8 hours difference).

 

[bigplayer]

It used to be I was toning my play down in a few places that I play rated so that I could get comps. On average, I make $75/per 100 hands (depending on the game of course, doubledeck = more), so if I tone my spread down to accumulate comps and my EV drops to $40/100 hands, it has cost me $35 in hard cash to "earn" a comp for $15 for an overpriced sandwich. No thanx. I'll pay for my own sandwich. :

This is a really great post.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

In Vegas will they only comp you if you have a players card? Couldn't you just play for 4 hours straight and then just ask for a buffet comp?

 

[Blue Efficacy]

In Vegas will they only comp you if you have a players card? Couldn't you just play for 4 hours straight and then just ask for a buffet comp?

I think these days it's pretty standard to require a player card for comps. I am sure there might be exceptions.

 

[FLASH1296]

To the best of my knowledge a Player's Card is always required.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Well I'm sure high rollers don't need players card do they? Whats the cut off between gambler who bets a lot and a High Roller who the casino doesn't care if they have a card or not as long as they play at their casino?

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Well I'm sure high rollers don't need players card do they? Whats the cut off between gambler who bets a lot and a High Roller who the casino doesn't care if they have a card or not as long as they play at their casino?

They still want you to have a player card. It's the price you pay for comps.