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Hi,i have been playing in Macau and according to some website the house edge there is only about -0.09%(with proper basic stratergy),1/6 penertration.I was wondering if the game is beatable with large enough bet spread since the house edge is so low…thx!
Almost any game is beatable with a large enough spread. Is it beatable in practice? You would really need to sim this and see what kind of spread it would take. I assume by “1/6”, you mean they are dealing only one deck of out six before shuffling (or before putting the discards into a continuous shuffle machine). That’s a tough game, and even if it is beatable with a huge spread, there should be better opportunities for you elsewhere.
thanks a lot man! you have been quite helpful. One last question: Is it possible that the casino, to increase their profit rate, put just a bit more small cards in the shoe so as to increase their edge?
Possible? Yes, but very unlikely. Fortunately, most games still spread the decks and examine them when they open the table. Get there and watch yourself to make sure the cards are as they should be. If they don’t spread the cards when opening new decks, you have a right to be suspicious.
I was thinking that “-0.09%,even a running count of 1 at the beginning,which is a true count of 1/6 can easily turn the table, since a true count of 1 will give you an advantage of at least 0.8%(according to blackjackincolor) ,that means 1/6 can give you an edge of 0.13%” Is that mathematically right?
I was surprised by the BlackjackInColor information saying that true +1 adds 0.79%, but after some thought it makes sense. In most games, that’s no big deal since the starting house edge is usually much closer to half a percent.
However, you can’t assume that a true count of 1/6 will deliver 1/6 of that 0.79%, because as that same chart shows, the effect is non-linear.
The only reliable way to know is to sim it. (I recommend CVData, although I no longer keep it in inventory at my site. Here’s a link to it at the publisher’s site.)
If your starting house edge of only 0.09% is accurate, it won’t take much to tip the scales.
I can’t imagine the game is going to yield much of an hourly return, even with a pretty large bet spread.
Soy un estudiante de ingeniería en Holanda, y también soy un jugador de estrategia básica. Es una lástima que también los casinos en nederland ya han introducido CSM.
He seguido perdiendo durante 3 días, en realidad perder dinero no es lo peor que me preocupa, porque estoy convencido de que a largo plazo, las matemáticas a mi favor. Lo que realmente me entristece es que un hombre como yo no es bienvenido en el casino. Los crupieres, por supuesto, siempre intentan echarme de la mesa, y los tontos siempre me echan la culpa de sus pérdidas. Por ejemplo, tengo un 16 y el crupier muestra un 10, pido un 2 y el crupier pide un 10 (el crupier solo pide una carta en la primera ronda, lo que significa que si no pido, el crupier puede pasarse). cuando se da esta situación, el resto de las mesas se enfadan mucho y me enseñan a jugar. Es obvio que yo y estos tontos vivimos en un mundo diferente, lo que significa que no necesito explicarles nada porque ni siquiera saben lo que es la ventaja de la casa. Y si alguna vez tengo mala suerte y los tontos ganan algo de dinero de forma equivocada, pueden ser incluso más arrogantes y tirarse los trastos a la cabeza. Ese es el momento mas oscuro para mi porque me pondran como un ejemplo estupido. Los tontos piensan que un jugador BS es un tonto y le echan la culpa a ellos, ¡¡¡qué mundo!!!
I enjoy your blackjack game. It helps me control the urge between trips to the casino.
I really appreciate the Android app. I asked several months ago when an app for my Samsung tablet would be available. You promised it was in the works. Thanks for following through.
The comments that are being posted are spread out over many different pages.
I think I need to show recent comments on the home page to try to pull things together a bit and let users see what is being discussed. I’m just trying to figure out the best place to put it. Thanks!
Hi there,
I am very very new player…as I am interested in the game and learning basic, do some research. I wonder if there are many casino use the shoe to shuffle card or the continuous machine? How about in Canada?
The answers to 2 and 4 would change with peek, right? Split on A/A and 8/8 with dealer’s A. And I do understand how vulnerable all players are with European style no peek. If I notice anything interesting or advantageous, I’ll post here.
Hi,i have been playing in Macau and according to some website the house edge there is only about -0.09%(with proper basic stratergy),1/6 penertration.I was wondering if the game is beatable with large enough bet spread since the house edge is so low…thx!
Almost any game is beatable with a large enough spread. Is it beatable in practice? You would really need to sim this and see what kind of spread it would take. I assume by “1/6”, you mean they are dealing only one deck of out six before shuffling (or before putting the discards into a continuous shuffle machine). That’s a tough game, and even if it is beatable with a huge spread, there should be better opportunities for you elsewhere.
How about Vegas? Are most of the casino using CSM now? Is it possible to count cards there?
Sure, Vegas still has lots of non-CSM games, as do most areas of the US.
thanks a lot man! you have been quite helpful. One last question: Is it possible that the casino, to increase their profit rate, put just a bit more small cards in the shoe so as to increase their edge?
Possible? Yes, but very unlikely. Fortunately, most games still spread the decks and examine them when they open the table. Get there and watch yourself to make sure the cards are as they should be. If they don’t spread the cards when opening new decks, you have a right to be suspicious.
I was thinking that “-0.09%,even a running count of 1 at the beginning,which is a true count of 1/6 can easily turn the table, since a true count of 1 will give you an advantage of at least 0.8%(according to blackjackincolor) ,that means 1/6 can give you an edge of 0.13%” Is that mathematically right?
I was surprised by the BlackjackInColor information saying that true +1 adds 0.79%, but after some thought it makes sense. In most games, that’s no big deal since the starting house edge is usually much closer to half a percent.
However, you can’t assume that a true count of 1/6 will deliver 1/6 of that 0.79%, because as that same chart shows, the effect is non-linear.
The only reliable way to know is to sim it. (I recommend CVData, although I no longer keep it in inventory at my site. Here’s a link to it at the publisher’s site.)
If your starting house edge of only 0.09% is accurate, it won’t take much to tip the scales.
I can’t imagine the game is going to yield much of an hourly return, even with a pretty large bet spread.
Querido Ken,
Soy un estudiante de ingeniería en Holanda, y también soy un jugador de estrategia básica. Es una lástima que también los casinos en nederland ya han introducido CSM.
He seguido perdiendo durante 3 días, en realidad perder dinero no es lo peor que me preocupa, porque estoy convencido de que a largo plazo, las matemáticas a mi favor. Lo que realmente me entristece es que un hombre como yo no es bienvenido en el casino. Los crupieres, por supuesto, siempre intentan echarme de la mesa, y los tontos siempre me echan la culpa de sus pérdidas. Por ejemplo, tengo un 16 y el crupier muestra un 10, pido un 2 y el crupier pide un 10 (el crupier solo pide una carta en la primera ronda, lo que significa que si no pido, el crupier puede pasarse). cuando se da esta situación, el resto de las mesas se enfadan mucho y me enseñan a jugar. Es obvio que yo y estos tontos vivimos en un mundo diferente, lo que significa que no necesito explicarles nada porque ni siquiera saben lo que es la ventaja de la casa. Y si alguna vez tengo mala suerte y los tontos ganan algo de dinero de forma equivocada, pueden ser incluso más arrogantes y tirarse los trastos a la cabeza. Ese es el momento mas oscuro para mi porque me pondran como un ejemplo estupido. Los tontos piensan que un jugador BS es un tonto y le echan la culpa a ellos, ¡¡¡qué mundo!!!
Saludos,
ZHANG
No hay una solución fácil. Intenta ignorarlos en la medida de lo posible. Buena suerte.
I enjoy your blackjack game. It helps me control the urge between trips to the casino.
I really appreciate the Android app. I asked several months ago when an app for my Samsung tablet would be available. You promised it was in the works. Thanks for following through.
I misunderstood the app link – I thought it was you. I retract all my kudos and return to waiting mode.
Retraction accepted. 🙂
Now that the new site work is complete, the new trainer is my next big project. I’m doing research for it now.
No entries since mine of 1/19/15! Did I kill the blog?
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The comments that are being posted are spread out over many different pages.
I think I need to show recent comments on the home page to try to pull things together a bit and let users see what is being discussed. I’m just trying to figure out the best place to put it. Thanks!
Hi there,
I am very very new player…as I am interested in the game and learning basic, do some research. I wonder if there are many casino use the shoe to shuffle card or the continuous machine? How about in Canada?
I totally agree about the casino’s black jack house rules 6:5 cast out.
Correct. Answers 2 and 4 change with peek. Here’s the chart:
https://www.blackjackinfo.com/blackjack-basic-strategy-engine/?numdecks=8&soft17=s17&dbl=all&das=yes&surr=ns&peek=yes
The answers to 2 and 4 would change with peek, right? Split on A/A and 8/8 with dealer’s A. And I do understand how vulnerable all players are with European style no peek. If I notice anything interesting or advantageous, I’ll post here.
Very helpful. Many thanks.