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aslan

aslan

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jack said:
I really dont see him as using the hand shake as a Method to keep you from slandering him after he left. I've known people who go well out of their way, to make sure their the last ones to leave the party, to make sure they're the ones doin the talkin, and not the ones being talked about. Of course I can only speculate from what I've heard, but it sounds like, he at least showed "Good faith" in some kind of attempt of remaining friends. In other words, he at least didnt want to leave on a bad note. More than likely, it was a easy and comfortable way for him to say good-by, followed by him going out to his Vehicle and calling you every name in the Book, while hitting the steering wheel of his car.
Most cheaters are theives. And most theives are cheaters. The two go together like "popcorn and butter". "You cant have one without the other."
There's always different reasons as to why these Weasels are the way that they are. Some do it, because they need to(or think they do) while others do it for egotistical reasons or a little of both.
I believe, he would of acted the same way in private. In that, he acted no differently in fear of what the surronding people may or may not hear. Meaning he was defending his integrity for self conscious and personal reasons. Just like a unfaithful person does upon being discovered. People that think of themselves with High Morale, have a Natural tendency to protect this image of themselves at whatever the cost. Some honestly fool themselves into believing this way, while others are fully aware of their conscious. The possibilties are infinite, in where a % plays a role, in each aspect of our actions, and why we use excuse's, in a attempt to justify, the reasons in why, we say and do the things that we do.
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I think you nailed it.

I have always kept this person close to me because they say keep your friends close and your enemies even closer. He is one of those guys who is always waiting for you to show some sign of weakness and then instead of warning you of your vulnerability as a friend would do, he will figure a way to take advantage of you. For example, when he use to play pool himself, he would play different people with whom he had deveolped a close personal relationship and acquire an advantage that would net him tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, all the while faking friendship and fairness. One guy who was one of his "best friends" he used to gamble with when the guy got drunk, He got him for at least $50,000. He has told me in the course of our discussions that he rationalizes things by saying that someone is going to win his friend's money, it might as well be him. It would never occur to him to try and be a real friend and warn the person that he was in danger.

Oddly, he appears to have strong family ties, and is well liked by those he doesn't gamble with.

I have also noticed that he likes to give stuff to people (tomatoes from his garden, for example) in hopes of reaping a much larger return favor. The reason I know this is because he has told me stories where different people actually did reward him with really large gifts for small favors. Quite a piece of work, this guy. Recently, he appeared to take offense when he walked in on me giving a gift to a close friend of mine after a trip to NYC. I'm sure he was thinking, where's my gift? Didn't I give him some tomatoes from my garden, he was saying to himself?

He told me about a guy who cheats at gin rummy by memorizing a run of cards, putting them on the bottom of the deck, making sure not to shuffle these botton cards, so then when his opponent cuts the cards, he has his sequence of cards in play. Now I know from our latest discussion that he must consider this to be "card knowledge," not cheating. It's similar to blackjack card sequencing, except for the fact that he isn't just tracking a sequence, he is making it happen, a distinction that would be entirely lost on him. lol I'm afraid he is a born cheater whose modus operandi is to take advantage of friendship, a pretty despicable practice in my opinion.

He's got me to the point where I am looking for a way to take advantage of him. Would you have any qualms about hustling this hustler?
 
sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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aslan said:
.... I'm afraid he is a born cheater whose modus operandi is to take advantage of friendship, a pretty despicable practice in my opinion.

He's got me to the point where I am looking for a way to take advantage of him. Would you have any qualms about hustling this hustler?
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i don't think i'd go after him. matter of fact i think i'd keep my distance from that bird. if anything i might try some gambit that would crush his ego rather than his pocket. that might be fun. put him between a rock and a hard place where he had to chose between his ego and his pocket maybe.
truth be known i don't even like taking advantage of casino's. thats part of why i just mainly gamble for recreation. problem is i need to come out ahead for the gamble to be much fun. lol.
 
sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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lmao why do i get the intuition the vengful one got lucky lately?

blackjack avenger said:
I would rather be lucky then good but lady luck is a fickle temptress:joker::whip:

So I strive to be adequate:joker::whip:
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n.t.:joker::whip::devil::cat:
 
aslan

aslan

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sagefr0g said:
i don't think i'd go after him. matter of fact i think i'd keep my distance from that bird. if anything i might try some gambit that would crush his ego rather than his pocket. that might be fun. put him between a rock and a hard place where he had to chose between his ego and his pocket maybe.
truth be known i don't even like taking advantage of casino's. thats part of why i just mainly gamble for recreation. problem is i need to come out ahead for the gamble to be much fun. lol.
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After I wrote that I got to thinking that Sage will tell me that I shouldn't be wanting to hustle anyone even if they have it coming. I guess I know you pretty well, my wise friend. Before you even wrote me I decided not to go after him. I have just about given up on gambling at pool--it's either like stealing with a decided advantage over my opponent, or if I make fair games, it's like a break even proposition with the outside chance of losing or winning some serious money in the right circumstances. But I have not gotten as far as you in winning against the house. Although I do feel a little at odds with myself in that the house really doesn't want me counting but I'm doing so anyway. Of course they'd stick it to me in a New York second, even take my life's savings.
 
sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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aslan said:
After I wrote that I got to thinking that Sage will tell me that I shouldn't be wanting to hustle anyone even if they have it coming. I guess I know you pretty well, my wise friend. Before you even wrote me I decided not to go after him.
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yah, i knew you knew that, lmao. i just liked saying it. for me saying it helps reinforce the idea of not getting corrupted by corrupt stuff, an idea i've always been very fond of ever since i became aware of it. :) but i had no doubt you knew it as well. something to do with not being resentful and forgiveness and all that stuff. always puts you on top. but it would be fun holding up a mirror infront of the vampire so he'd see there was nothin there lol.
I have just about given up on gambling at pool--it's either like stealing with a decided advantage over my opponent, or if I make fair games, it's like a break even proposition with the outside chance of losing or winning some serious money in the right circumstances.
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wouldn't want to lose that serious money lol. yer makin me think of that movie with Jackie Gleason and Paul Newman. what was it, the Hustler?
gotta have class man. lol
But I have not gotten as far as you in winning against the house.
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sure about that? i'm only a little less than six G's up. i don't want to lose it. i'll take some more if they give me a chance. i'm sure they'll toss me if i push it to far lol.
no doubt they've got EV on me lol.
just surviving and having fun is good enough for me. so maybe i need to help them level the playing field a bit. i'm still waiting to see if i get lucky like they claim i can. lol. i won't feel bad about that.
it's a game of cat and mouse and i think i know who the mouse is.:eek:
Although I do feel a little at odds with myself in that the house really doesn't want me counting but I'm doing so anyway.
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lmao lot's of people don't like me thinkin the thoughts i do, it'll be a cold day in hell when they get their way.
Of course they'd stick it to me in a New York second, even take my life's savings.
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right, just hold the mirror up to them and they won't see a thing, lol.
i actually have found i like most of the people working in the joints. i'm glad their doing it, the whole thing is fun. it's fun doin battle with windmills. i know there are some really pathetic people that have so called 'gambling addiction'. most joints i've been to have to live within legal measures that are in place that give such junkies an out. maybe that's more than is offered by just about any enterprise that people manage to get hooked on to their detriment.
well, they keep advertising how we can get lucky and win so much in their joints. so as long as they keep claiming i can, i'll keep trying as long as i can get away with making sure they are fair about it.
 
jack.jackson

jack.jackson

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aslan said:
I think you nailed it.

I have always kept this person close to me because they say keep your friends close and your enemies even closer. He is one of those guys who is always waiting for you to show some sign of weakness and then instead of warning you of your vulnerability as a friend would do, he will figure a way to take advantage of you. For example, when he use to play pool himself, he would play different people with whom he had deveolped a close personal relationship and acquire an advantage that would net him tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, all the while faking friendship and fairness. One guy who was one of his "best friends" he used to gamble with when the guy got drunk, He got him for at least $50,000. He has told me in the course of our discussions that he rationalizes things by saying that someone is going to win his friend's money, it might as well be him. It would never occur to him to try and be a real friend and warn the person that he was in danger.

Oddly, he appears to have strong family ties, and is well liked by those he doesn't gamble with.

I have also noticed that he likes to give stuff to people (tomatoes from his garden, for example) in hopes of reaping a much larger return favor. The reason I know this is because he has told me stories where different people actually did reward him with really large gifts for small favors. Quite a piece of work, this guy. Recently, he appeared to take offense when he walked in on me giving a gift to a close friend of mine after a trip to NYC. I'm sure he was thinking, where's my gift? Didn't I give him some tomatoes from my garden, he was saying to himself?

He told me about a guy who cheats at gin rummy by memorizing a run of cards, putting them on the bottom of the deck, making sure not to shuffle these botton cards, so then when his opponent cuts the cards, he has his sequence of cards in play. Now I know from our latest discussion that he must consider this to be "card knowledge," not cheating. It's similar to blackjack card sequencing, except for the fact that he isn't just tracking a sequence, he is making it happen, a distinction that would be entirely lost on him. lol I'm afraid he is a born cheater whose modus operandi is to take advantage of friendship, a pretty despicable practice in my opinion.

He's got me to the point where I am looking for a way to take advantage of him. Would you have any qualms about hustling this hustler?
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I wouldnt lose sleep over it. But, I really dont see it worth starting any static over and perhaps having to look over your shoulder from time to time. Maybe you should just go smash the tomato's in his garden or something:laugh: I agree with SF, that you should just forget about that bird regardless of how much $$ and how many friends he has. I would take happiness over vs pride and or money anyday.

I spend most of my time alone besides my GF, and dont mind it one bit. Id rather be alone than to have a friend who irritates or annoys me. Most of the time I can just handle people in small doses. Although Ive never been successful or had any kind of continuity card counting, im not as enthusiastic about traveling the Country and traveling from casino to casino as I used to be. As long as we have enough to pay our bills, im happy. That doesnt mean I wouldnt do it if the conditions were right, it just means I really dont see it happening.

My goal is, is to stay healthy, stay out of debt, stay out of trouble, try not to make to many enemies, find good company, drink coffee on cool mornings, drink beer on warm evenings, play my acoustic guitar, listen to old country music and dream about how good life was when I was a kid.
 
aslan

aslan

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jack said:
I wouldnt lose sleep over it. But, I really dont see it worth starting any static over and perhaps having to look over your shoulder from time to time. Maybe you should just go smash the tomato's in his garden or something:laugh: I agree with SF, that you should just forget about that bird regardless of how much $$ and how many friends he has. I would take happiness over vs pride and or money anyday.

I spend most of my time alone besides my GF, and dont mind it one bit. Id rather be alone than to have a friend who irritates or annoys me. Most of the time I can just handle people in small doses. Although Ive never been successful or had any kind of continuity card counting, im not as enthusiastic about traveling the Country and traveling from casino to casino as I used to be. As long as we have enough to pay our bills, im happy. That doesnt mean I wouldnt do it if the conditions were right, it just means I really dont see it happening.

My goal is, is to stay healthy, stay out of debt, stay out of trouble, try not to make to many enemies, find good company, drink coffee on cool mornings, drink beer on warm evenings, play my acoustic guitar, listen to old country music and dream about how good life was when I was a kid.
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I am writing the Pope and asking him to start the wheels turning for your canonization. Saint jj. Has a nice ring to it. lol You're one of the good guys and I value your opinion, jj. :)
 
blackchipjim

blackchipjim

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of friends and enemies

You would be wise to steer clear of friends who justify their actions no matter who they hurt. People who are not really evil become that way by justifying thier actions saying it's not realy wrong. I had a friend that stole from a friend and thought nothing of it saying he was just stupid and deserved it. I lost a friend that day because he thought much differently than me about friendship. The saying of birds of a feather... blackchipjim
 
aslan

aslan

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blackchipjim said:
You would be wise to steer clear of friends who justify their actions no matter who they hurt. People who are not really evil become that way by justifying thier actions saying it's not realy wrong. I had a friend that stole from a friend and thought nothing of it saying he was just stupid and deserved it. I lost a friend that day because he thought much differently than me about friendship. The saying of birds of a feather... blackchipjim
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I agree. He is not my friend though, he just thinks I buy his pretended friendship.
 
sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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it just seems to work out.

been my experience those types you really don't need to take advantage of even if you wanted too.
it's like they take advantage of their selves for you. lol.
 
blackchipjim

blackchipjim

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shifting gears on luck

I would like to add a little to your thread on luck. I have in the past just been a machine in regards to playing. I have started to rethink and play a different game since. When the cards are going my way I bet and play 100% the way I'm suppose to. Then when the cards are not there and I do mean not there I get up and leave. This contrary to normal play but I have had loser sessions that seem to never end. I know luck plays a part in the game regardless of what is said. blackchipjim
 
sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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blackchipjim said:
I would like to add a little to your thread on luck. I have in the past just been a machine in regards to playing. I have started to rethink and play a different game since. When the cards are going my way I bet and play 100% the way I'm suppose to. Then when the cards are not there and I do mean not there I get up and leave. This contrary to normal play but I have had loser sessions that seem to never end. I know luck plays a part in the game regardless of what is said. blackchipjim
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edit: ya know i think what your gettin at is what i see as a maturity or going away from naivity with respect to gambling and even AP.
i think your tawkin bout in part a similar thing i'm trying to get at in the three posts below:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=100250&postcount=10

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=100386&postcount=19

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=100423&postcount=21
sort of the idea wonging is in reality not such an easy thing and playing like a robot is hard on the soul but maybe you can fool your self into doing the wrong thing in a right way at the right time. lmao.

the other part would be the idea of who cares if your doing it right if your making money? at any given moment in time if i'm playing like a lunitic but making as much or more than the perfect card counting AP in the world what's the differance?
it's gonna be said that if you keep doing that there will be a differance and that is correct but what's not said is ok i can suddenly regain my sanity and start playing like an almost perfect card counting AP. and yeah i might lose a bit playing stupid but a perfect card counting AP can lose a bit playing smart as well.
thing would be just some bottom line watching and some decision making.
think maybe that's what i'm trying to get to about this imaginary stuff lol:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=11134
 
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Bojack1

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blackchipjim said:
I would like to add a little to your thread on luck. I have in the past just been a machine in regards to playing. I have started to rethink and play a different game since. When the cards are going my way I bet and play 100% the way I'm suppose to. Then when the cards are not there and I do mean not there I get up and leave. This contrary to normal play but I have had loser sessions that seem to never end. I know luck plays a part in the game regardless of what is said. blackchipjim
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I'm not sure I follow you here. You say when the cards are going your way you play correctly, but when they are not going your way, you leave? Does this correlate with the count? Are you leaving during positive counts because you are losing? Are you saying that you can predict luck, including bad luck? Before I comment too much on this I would like to hear your answers on this. I will agree with your last statement that luck will play a part in this game, I will disagree that you will know when. Luck can really only be measured after the fact, not before.

Every time you play this game luck will appear in the form of good and or bad. As you step back and view longer term results of your play, you will notice that the luck that is apparent every session, almost like magic fades away into true numbers. Every session will have elements of luck attached to it, but as the sessions are added together to form one, the luck will soon be nothing but noise in the equation. What I'm saying is, in this game you can actually control luck to a certain degree with time. I don't consider myself a lucky guy, but I believe there is a reason I have had success playing this game year in and year out, and thats because I don't factor in luck to anything I do. I can't control it so all I do is maximize what I can control. I don't care about luck either way, good or bad. Its like the ghost in the room that scares you but if you ignore it can't harm you. Do the right thing and even if each session is filled with what you perceive as luck filled ups and downs, the big picture end result will not be due to luck.

Many have argued that luck can play a large part in a counters initial success. That can be true if luck is what you need to be successful. A small bankroll that gets overbet to try to exceed expectations, will need that good luck to succeed. It will also need to avoid extreme bad luck right off the bat as well. Either way it doesn't matter as long as the player is aware of the consequences of their actions. If the luck is good then continue on hopefully playing a skillful, smart game. If the luck is bad, well that should have been something already considered. In such case regroup and try again, hopefully with better results next time. But as I said before the further you sail away from luck dependency, the less it factors into the bottomline.
 
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InPlay

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You must be awfully LUCKY to be so good and rich. The only one I have ever knew. Never a down day. Endless supply of money. Endless supply of BS ! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
Sonny

Sonny

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When you're good, the luck disappears quickly. There may be plenty of bad days, but the bad quarters are rare and the bad years become extinct. You should look into it before you judge.

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Bojack1

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InPlay said:
You must be awfully LUCKY to be so good and rich. The only one I have ever knew. Never a down day. Endless supply of money. Endless supply of BS ! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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Okay troll I'll bite. Luck has nothing to do with my skill or my overall financial status. I have had down days, never said I didn't. I don't need an endless supply of money to accomplish my goals, just the amount called for. The only BS I read is your attitude that of course comes through the safety of the internet. You are a very annoying little person that doesn't really seem to get it. When you can add something to the forum besides insults and fantasy tough guy stories, maybe you'll be worth a damn. Until then, my read on you is you're just an angry little gambler, who never got ahead in anything and blames the bad breaks on it all instead of taking responsibility of your obvious shortcomings. Anyones success or claims of it pisses you off and can't believe it because you have not been able to achieve it. Either that or you're just a jackass. I'd tend to believe the latter.
 
aslan

aslan

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InPlay said:
You must be awfully LUCKY to be so good and rich. The only one I have ever knew. Never a down day. Endless supply of money. Endless supply of BS ! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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By BS I assume you mean Basic Strategy. :) Trust me, he knows what he is talking about. He was only trying to help. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
 
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Bojack1 said:
Okay troll I'll bite. Luck has nothing to do with my skill or my overall financial status. I have had down days, never said I didn't. I don't need an endless supply of money to accomplish my goals, just the amount called for. The only BS I read is your attitude that of course comes through the safety of the internet. You are a very annoying little person that doesn't really seem to get it. When you can add something to the forum besides insults and fantasy tough guy stories, maybe you'll be worth a damn. Until then, my read on you is you're just an angry little gambler, who never got ahead in anything and blames the bad breaks on it all instead of taking responsibility of your obvious shortcomings. Anyones success or claims of it pisses you off and can't believe it because you have not been able to achieve it. Either that or you're just a jackass. I'd tend to believe the latter.
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I am not little guy. Height is 6 "1" about 190lbs and still pretty fit. I have never had a angry day in my life when gambling. If I lost lost I chalked it up to bad luck if I won I had good luck. On the internet you can be anything you want to be even a successful card counter or skull cracker. Take your choice. Which ever one you chose I am sure you will be good at it wheter it be counting cards or skull cracking.
 
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