who is Anon? is that Mr. Anonymous?aslan said:
not as far as God's part in it, maybe you mean?
so we are left with a decision of what to buy into, what is the value and will that value be realized?
it may be immutable. the point is though to realize it's power in our lives.
not realizing the extent of our ignorance is perhaps just as bad or worse.
Lucky your wife was there!sagefr0g said:who is Anon? is that Mr. Anonymous?
but i can relate to that quote. take my driveway for instance. lmao
i've owned the same home a little less than twenty years. and all that time it had the same gravel driveway it had when we first moved in. thing is all that time we were either too broke or i was to cheap to have it paved. but of anything to do with the property it was getting that driveway paved that was something i wanted. lol. when ever it rained a lot or snowed a lot the thing was a murkey, sloppy mess for us all to deal with. call it procrastination and overly cheap or what ever, the job just never got done as much as i wanted it to be. finally the other day there was a knock at my door. i answer the door and it's this guy (who was not procrastinating and was not cheap lol). he tells me he's just finished a blacktop job and has enough asphalt left over to do my driveway. so he gives me an estimate on the job. a fair price.
and here is the point. don't you know i waffled on the deal? i was so indecisive (still cheap, still ignorant after all those years lol) that the guy almost walked away. my wife nosey as she can be lmao, over hears all this.
she knows all too well how i've gone on about wanting to get that driveway done. lmao. she whispers through the screen door "tell him you'll take it Turkey it's a good deal". bells went off in my head, suddenly i was as if i was a genius. the deal of a lifetime and cheap too dropped right in my lap and i was to dull to see it. so a long story, short with a little help i took the deal and we now after nearly twenty years have a paved driveway that was both a fair price and was effortless on my part.
the point being, all it took was recognizing a bit of luck for what it was.
Right. Everything except what we make happen by our actions or inactions is luck, good or bad.sagefr0g said:
Good luck is probably in diferent degrees for each and every person. On the other hand, from God's point of view, luck is perfectly distributed. You may think it lucky that you won the lottery, when in actuality, it may be the worst thing that ever happened to you. Only someone who can see the future can rightly judge such things.sagefr0g said:
Anything you did not cause by your actions or inactions is luck. You can miss opportunities, but luck just is, whether you recognize it or not.sagefr0g said:
Hope for the best. Be prepared for the worst.sagefr0g said:
When you quit ahead of your advantage, you have locked in a degree of luck. You may also have foregone a degree of luck that would have followed, or you may have avoided a run of bad luck. In Aslan's case, he went against the long run odds, knowing that he had already completed his current long run successfully. The cumulative effect of these short run decisions should add up to a less than expected long run gain on average, but not necessarily so.sagefr0g said:
If you are an atheist you might attribute the amount and timing of your luck to chance. If you believe in God, you might attribute the amount and timing of your luck to 20/20 foresight! Sometimes it may teach a lesson, such as, to avoid greed. Other times it might reflect an aid to character formation, which you may well perceive as bad luck. Other times it may create a powerful force in the battle of good and evil by humble acceptance of one's fate in life (the Cross). And still other times, it may simply reflect the generosity of a loving God. Whatever the reason, those who believe in God enjoy the comfort of knowing that, good or bad, it comes with the permission of a loving God. *sagefr0g said:
And not only the courage, but the strength. A good prayer sure to receive a positive response.sagefr0g said:
lol i rescued this for you.aslan said:
would find it difficult to find the incident beneficial even if he had intentionaly been the generator of the event. maybe even he would decide to be unhappy about it.lol
Life is a total mystery. That being said, it could be forseen millenia in advance that jj would step out in front of that bus on that fateful day. Now as Master of the Universe one might tweak things a little by having jj born a second earlier and see how that affects things down the road, lol, but apparently the All Knowing God decided this was the best scenario for reasons not divulged until after death I suppose. He could have also had you in position to push jj out of the way, but he didn't. I guess he ran a zillion quadilopiumtillion simulations and none of them were as beneficial to the two of you as the one He finally settled on. The first thing I'm going to ask when I get to heaven, pardon the presumption, is why the heck He let jj drop into my game and a $1,000 just plop out of his pocket onto the betting square in front of mine? I mean, in all the simulations in the world, I can't for the life of me figure out how that can be the best one! :laugh:sagefr0g said:lol i rescued this for you.
but anyway i guess it sounds like you maybe don't think chance is a really phenomenon for people? i think i understand that you think everything is a pre-ordained sort of thing and that God has it set to benifit us whether we like it or not, lol. i can accept that, like it or not lol.
but it's the sort of thing that say jj if he for real got hit by a bus say, perhaps he would have a clue since he jumped out in front of it, lmao. but still maybe someone (wwII warriours excluded :laugh::joker
just the thing is though even if events are pre-ordained and for our own good, i'd have to agree to disagree regarding on whether it might matter or not regarding our state of cognizance. it matters to me, lol. not sure what God might think about that.
like maybe if i'd of had a clue, i coulda stopped jj from stepping in front of the bus and save you some loot.
i think we are agreed.aslan said:
Agree.sagefr0g said:i think we are agreed.
the second half of my point rests not only upon the fact of that mystery, not the what and why or even how, which is the mystery but the matter of the benifit that is sure to come by the pre-ordained events. those points are a matter of faith the substance of things unseen and hoped for.
but the second half of my point has to do with ownership of those things hoped for and retention of them rather than never owning them and losing even what one never owned which is a matter of faith and the grace to accept those things.
"For unto everyone that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance; but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath." Matthew 25:29, King James Version
so it's in modern vernacular a matter of appreciating value which is a sense of certainty and keeping it (ie. owning which entails responsibility to not lose it). the only way to get (realize) the value is fundamentally faith which is the true measure of certainty.
Life is funny in this aspect. Sometimes I wonder if a person would of done the things they done, under different circumstances?aslan said:
sort of that back to the future, Everett's many worlds hypothesis, or world full of possibilities kind of thing where even the improbable is possible?jack said:
You know, regarding this present financial crisis, I believe that the All Seeing one has the right people in place through His 20/20 foresight to do what needs to be done. However, I am not so sure that He in His justice will give us the miracle we need. The greed and selfishness that precipitated this crisis and all the other crises that are looming over our heads may need to be dealt with in a, say, disciplinary manner, if you get my drift. I think a major correction, as they call it, has been waiting patiently on the side for quite some time now. Our chickens may be cominng home to roost [famous quote]. What do you think?sagefr0g said:sort of that back to the future, Everett's many worlds hypothesis, or world full of possibilities kind of thing where even the improbable is possible?
or how about the monte carlo method. now thats a weird one. i'm just trying to understand that one. a non-rigourus mathematical modeling approach that uses random events (and even pseudo random will do) to yield information about some unknown. they used the approach in the Manhatten Project while trying to figure some unknown stuff out about a certain ball of fissionable material. so but anyway it's pretty neat, like you can incscribe a circle in a square and fire randomly aimed projectiles at it. count up the projectiles that hit inside the circle only and the projectiles that hit outside the circle but in the square and you can use the ratio of those numbers to figure out pi.
it can even be used to do integral calculus problems. wierd.
so lets like let these random cards dealt from a pack impact our awareness and formulate our advantage for us or luck prospects sort of thing.
are you listening jj?
splain this stuff dude.
Uhhh:confused, I cant, its inexplicable for and to me. You just have to feel it. It doesnt have to make sense to me. Theres laws and boundaries that all things must abide by, in a physic-al aspect. Such as the Earth has to be a certain distance from the Sun in order to Sustain life. Everything I do, everyday is done through sense. I wont respond to this message, if it doesnt feel right to me to do so, for example. Everything has become distorted through the years its hard to tell anymore. Ive heard some people say 13 is a unlucky#, while others say its lucky. So which is it? Answer is, is that its neither or both. Are you born again, or do you live for-ever? The answer is that some will and some wont, while others will do both and some will do neither.sagefr0g said:sort of that back to the future, Everett's many worlds hypothesis, or world full of possibilities kind of thing where even the improbable is possible?
or how about the monte carlo method. now thats a weird one. i'm just trying to understand that one. a non-rigourus mathematical modeling approach that uses random events (and even pseudo random will do) to yield information about some unknown. they used the approach in the Manhatten Project while trying to figure some unknown stuff out about a certain ball of fissionable material. so but anyway it's pretty neat, like you can incscribe a circle in a square and fire randomly aimed projectiles at it. count up the projectiles that hit inside the circle only and the projectiles that hit outside the circle but in the square and you can use the ratio of those numbers to figure out pi.
it can even be used to do integral calculus problems. wierd.
so lets like let these random cards dealt from a pack impact our awareness and formulate our advantage for us or luck prospects sort of thing.
are you listening jj?
splain this stuff dude.
i've never been able to get away with any shady dealings. maybe it's a reap what you sow sort of thing.aslan said:
that's the best answer i can come up with as well.jack said:
right, especially in the macro state world we experience. plenty of things are well behaved and almost predictable. even in the micro state world, the quantum world a lot of it is well behaved, intuitive and relatively predictable although we have to resort to probability.
yes, distorted and more complicated and unpredictable than ever and becoming more so virtually each day. just as an example these mortgage instruments created by these financial institutions that have gotten themselves in so much trouble. instruments that no one can understand and they are obviously faulty. it became so complex and now that it's gone bad no one can understand inorder to be able to tell even what's going on.Everything has become distorted through the years its hard to tell anymore. Ive heard some people say 13 is a unlucky#, while others say its lucky. So which is it? Answer is, is that its neither or both. Are you born again, or do you live for-ever? The answer is that some will and some wont, while others will do both and some will do neither.
It all expressed in %
Life is infinity, and their are no rules. Just like a box of chocolates, and thats all I got to say about that.
Ps. Sometime I still do things even if it doesnt feel right.
Politicians look like Game show hosts to me. Ive lost my faith in Religion.sagefr0g said:that's the best answer i can come up with as well.
right, especially in the macro state world we experience. plenty of things are well behaved and almost predictable. even in the micro state world, the quantum world a lot of it is well behaved, intuitive and relatively predictable although we have to resort to probability.
yes, distorted and more complicated and unpredictable than ever and becoming more so virtually each day. just as an example these mortgage instruments created by these financial institutions that have gotten themselves in so much trouble. instruments that no one can understand and they are obviously faulty. it became so complex and now that it's gone bad no one can understand inorder to be able to tell even what's going on.
just information over load is enough of a problem and along with that you've got to separate the wheat from the chafe since so much of the information is bogus. witness the zenzone.
but alas it's a fun game. and we all want to play. i guess just enjoy good luck protect against possible bad luck while doing that which you can control. just a good idea to play in such a way as to not get hurt.
Today, this fella in the pool room who pretends to be my friend, secretly goes in with another fellow betting against me in a pool game. I quit almost immediately, which is rare for me, but I realized I had no chance in the game. The fellow I played won a mere $20 bucks from me, but because he was in cahoots with my friend, he had to pay my friend his share before leaving. He could not get near my friend without me seeing. The two of them put on a big act to be talking about something else just waiting for an opportunity to make the exchange. But it ws so transparent that I knew immediately what was going down. lol I did not give them the chance to make the exchange just to make them squirm. hahaha it was hilarious. Finally the guy left without splitting the money. loljack said:
I really dont see him as using the hand shake as a Method to keep you from slandering him after he left. I've known people who go well out of their way, to make sure their the last ones to leave the party, to make sure they're the ones doin the talkin, and not the ones being talked about. Of course I can only speculate from what I've heard, but it sounds like, he at least showed "Good faith" in some kind of attempt of remaining friends. In other words, he at least didnt want to leave on a bad note. More than likely, it was a easy and comfortable way for him to say good-by, followed by him going out to his Vehicle and calling you every name in the Book, while hitting the steering wheel of his car.aslan said:
