try and be an idiot

jack said:

Im gonna have a talk with Kasi:eyepatch:

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good luck with that. lol .....then again don't sweat it i need someone to blame :grin:

jack said:

You need to re-modulate the sheild harmonics.

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alright you wanna break that down lol.

jack said:

Ps. Then how did you end with an eight? I would think it should 5 or Zero?

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uhmm you mean the eight dollars? good question. maybe i made a mis-bet and got a blackjack or surrendered or something. i'll have to check my logs.

sagefr0g said:

alright you wanna break that down lol.

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Sorry bout that dude. I've been watchin alot of star-trek lately.

What I meant to say is....... I was just curious, as to how you were rampin your bets. Lets say for example your TC goes from 0 to +3 from one hand to the next. Do you go, to 20$ bet first or straight to the 100$ bet??

jack said:

Sorry bout that dude. I've been watchin alot of star-trek lately.

What I meant to say is....... I was just curious, as to how you were rampin your bets. Lets say for example your TC goes from 0 to +3 from one hand to the next. Do you go, to 20$ bet first or straight to the 100$ bet??

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100 .
example of some of the pain below:

sagefr0g said:

100 .
example of some of the pain below:

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That what I was afraid of. Check out hand # 1557 and # 1558. Notice how your TC jumps from +1 to +3. And you jump from 20$ to 100$...lol

I dont necessarily agree with this. I preferablly, would ramp to the 50$ first, win or lose THEN go to the 100$ Bet, provided the TC is still @ +3 of course. Same goes with when the count goes from 0 to +2 (20$ bet first)NOT straight to the 50$

Note: You could also make the 20$ bet 25$ This makes things look natural and sweet.

TC+1 25$
TC+2 50$
TC+3 50x50

OR

TC+1/25$
TC+2/25x25
TC+3/50x50
Just something you may want to seriously ponder. Whadaya got to lose?

jack said:

That what I was afraid of. Check out hand # 1557 and # 1558. Notice how your TC jumps from +1 to +3. And you jump from 20$ to 100$...lol

I dont necessarily agree with this. I preferablly, would ramp to the 50$ first, win or lose THEN go to the 100$ Bet, provided the TC is still @ +3 of course. Same goes with when the count goes from 0 to +2 (20$ bet first)NOT straight to the 50$

Note: You could also make the 20$ bet 25$ This makes things look natural and sweet.

TC+1 25$
TC+2 50$
TC+3 50x50

Just something you may want to seriously ponder. Whadaya got to lose?

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right, it's a whole subject i guess. i mean i've been pretty much shocked with how this whole thing has gone down. well i've never been so lucky to play such deep penetration much in the casino. there have been many more opportunities to bet up than i'm used to. then it's been killing me to not be able to wong out in some really horrific negative counts since we are doing play all. but what's really been getting to me is like you say this really steep bet ramp and spread with (for me) a relatively high minimun unit and a relatively small bankroll for said ramp and spread. not a situation i'd much care to experience real world lol.
but i've been going ahead and trying to follow the simulation stipulation for betting along with having that ROR = 24.6% hovering over my neck lol. but i'll stick it out as for one it's an interesting experience and i'm collecting these logs which i think will make for some interesting data to look over.
but trust me, lol i've been more than a little reluectant to jump those bets as i've been doing. just want to follow the sim though.
and too this is great counting practice. which i'm realizing i was in much need of.
so on with the games! lol.

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i'm only playing one hand not spreading to more hands. gotta keep Kasi happy lol.

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Man I gotta tell you - you're my hero lol.

Absolutely textbook. A $23 avg bet vs expected $22. Jumping your bet when the count jumps - just like the plan called for. For JJ the ghost rider, doomed to eventually slowly fade away like most ghosts who wander aimlessly thru blackjacktables alone with no plan, and "Im gonna have a talk with Kasi" I say if JJ wants a plan with cover betting, then make one :grin: .
Even that
733 1
127 2
69 5
109 10

hands played and units multiplies out to avg bet. So apparently you've been betting and counting perfectly.

Wait a minute - that can't be right?!

Fuzzy Counter transformed into mistake-free Card Counter?

You start to floor your counts or something - I mean before it looked like you weren't betting to the TC? You doing anything different - looking at TC before making bet lol)?

Some Princess come along and kiss you?

Anyway, U DA MAN. I don't care what they say lol. Bojack would be proud to have you on his team! I think, lol.

1 SD - who cares lol.

God I love it when a plan comes together lol.

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Man I gotta tell you - you're my hero lol.

Absolutely textbook. A $23 avg bet vs expected $22. Jumping your bet when the count jumps - just like the plan called for. For JJ the ghost rider, doomed to eventually slowly fade away like most ghosts who wander aimlessly thru blackjacktables alone with no plan, and "Im gonna have a talk with Kasi" I say if JJ wants a plan with cover betting, then make one :grin: .
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i'm going with gusto just like Ned. but Action Jackson's trying to get me to sin and wimp outa my game plan.

Kasi said:

hands played and units multiplies out to avg bet. So apparently you've been betting and counting perfectly.

Wait a minute - that can't be right?!

Fuzzy Counter transformed into mistake-free Card Counter?

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oh yeah. yep right on the money, i mean EV. lol

Kasi said:

You start to floor your counts or something - I mean before it looked like you weren't betting to the TC? You doing anything different - looking at TC before making bet lol)?
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there you go scaring me again. lol
yes i've been flooring. fixed the cvbj true count calculation and my methodology to match pretty good.

Kasi said:

Some Princess come along and kiss you?
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maybe. Jackson's girlfriend might of been kinda feeling left out lately. you know since he's been shuffling and dealing so much lately. :devil: :joker:

Kasi said:

Anyway, U DA MAN. I don't care what they say lol. Bojack would be proud to have you on his team! I think, lol.

1 SD - who cares lol.

God I love it when a plan comes together lol.

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yeah almost two standard deviations now. check it out:

sagefr0g said:

one thing i guess we'd want to consider is do we wanna make it at least a strictly AP against evil casino sort of thing or is it gonna become a tournament sort of scenerio........

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Strictly AP vs evil casino lol. We're all on the same team lol.

All that would be asked is someone try to bet to whatever simpler-the-better plan someone sims that everybody knows that's what they're supposed to do.

Anyone use whatever count you want, maybe we'll include indexes but if someone chooses to not use them, fine. Everybody plays heads up - no spreading to more than 1 hand. No cover betting. No camo. No worry about heat.

Basically, just a "random walk" of an ever-changing BJ team playing to same imaginary roll to see what happens. Hey, if it works, everyone gets an imaginary pay-off too

Don't know the BS trainer here and whether it will continue to deal from decks or not or automatically re-shuffles every hand. If the former, guess the pen of whatever we come up with as a pen level and force a shuffle then. If the latter, I'm sure there's stuff out there.

I'm not gonna sweat the details. Did I say that or just think it?

Just thought maybe long-run could happen relatively quickly this way - 100 hands here 100 hands there.

And of course I'd periodically identify the "lucky" guys and the "unlucky" guys so we know who to take to the back-room with the chains and masks on the wall

Kind of like your last 1000 hands times 100 people lol. No time limit or anything.

See if there's anything to this theoretical bull after all.

sagefr0g said:

i'm going with gusto just like Ned. but Action Jackson's trying to get me to sin and wimp outa my game plan.

oh yeah. yep right on the money, i mean EV. lol

there you go scaring me again. lol
yes i've been flooring. fixed the cvbj true count calculation and my methodology to match pretty good.

maybe. Jackson's girlfriend might of been kinda feeling left out lately. you know since he's been shuffling and dealing so much lately. :devil: :joker:

yeah almost two standard deviations now. check it out:

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Action Jackson is going to have to take some time-out in the corner lol.

Well you were off by 1 alot before in the TC vs bet lol. But kind of the point. I guess the beauty of having CVBJ. I mean if you were dealing physical cards I guess it would be harder to identify any problems.

Where do those little snippets of hands 1557 etc come from? CVBJ? CVCX? Your own stuff? You might have to send me that stuff lol.

I'm sure ghost rider is using her as a ghost player and teaching her BS lol.
You make a mistake, take an earring off lol. I was surprised how fast my wife learned BS with that method:grin:

No where close to 2 SD yet. Hang in there.

Who's Ned

Kasi said:

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Where do those little snippets of hands 1557 etc come from? CVBJ? CVCX? Your own stuff? You might have to send me that stuff lol.

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those snippets are screen shots of excell. i've been exporting the CVBJ log data into excell. to where you've got data according to hand number, bankroll, bets, RC, TC, nature of a given hand, strategy action and won or loss of the hand. to where when it's in excell you can manipulate the data by sorting or maths. pretty cool. i'll send you a copy.

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I'm sure ghost rider is using her as a ghost player and teaching her BS lol.
You make a mistake, take an earring off lol. I was surprised how fast my wife learned BS with that method:grin:

No where close to 2 SD yet. Hang in there.

Who's Ned

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that's Lucky Ned! and the go with gusto lucky Ned system. i think he might be Action Jackson's bro or somthin. or it might be one of his many systems. :devil:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=24020&postcount=1

Just a couple unsolicited random comments…

Betting the count: The only reason to use cover betting in the privacy of your own home is to simulate how you would play at the casino. For something like this, I would always bet according to the count. After all, jackson did say:

jack said:

Bring your A-Game and give it the best you got.

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Spreading to two hands: In higher counts you do want to snarf up more of those good cards. I wouldn’t stick to one hand just to please Kasi.

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Originally Posted by jack,jackson
Bring your A-Game and give it the best you got.

Canceler said:

Just a couple unsolicited random comments…

Betting the count: The only reason to use cover betting in the privacy of your own home is to simulate how you would play at the casino. For something like this, I would always bet according to the count. After all, jackson did say:


Spreading to two hands: In higher counts you do want to snarf up more of those good cards. I wouldn’t stick to one hand just to please Kasi.

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yeah i'm with ya. just gotta stick with the game plan on this one. highly scientific research being conducted here . to where the mad scientist (Kasi) requires this data being generated. otherwise he might unleash the jack booted lock step ones on us. lol

ScoreBoard:

sagethepoisonousfrog*vs*jacktheghostriderjackson

Rules:6D,S17,NSA,75%pen,DAS,Lsr .36,HA

Conditions:3plyrs,1-10spread,Play-all,5,000K,BR

Submit results on these dates:

Schedule: (Start Date/4/17)

******Sage/Jack******

1.4/23:-$905/-130$

2.4/29:-$638/+35$

3.5/05:/-$1,488/+890$

4.5/11:/-$1,468/+705$

5.5/17:/N/A/+220$

6.5/23:/N/A/+195$

7.5/29:/N/A+275$

8.6/04:

9.6/10:

10.6/16:


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Notes: 210 out of 300 completed. Cant seem to win in positive counts(Dealer keeps pulling 21s at the worst possible times). Have yet been able to split Xs. Keep losing all double downs. A little frusterated.

All high this session(450+)
Low: 170+

jack said:

Notes: 210 out of 300 completed. Cant seem to win in positive counts(Dealer keeps pulling 21s at the worst possible times). Have yet been able to split Xs. Keep losing all double downs. A little frusterated.

All high this session(450+)
Low: 170+

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lol your breakin my heat Action Jackson. check this out:

update

sagethepoisonousfrog*vs*jacktheghostriderjackson

Rules:6D,S17,NSA,75%pen,DAS,Lsr .36,HA

Conditions:3plyrs,1-10spread,Play-all,5,000K,BR

Submit results on these dates:

Schedule: (Start Date/4/17)

******Sage/Jack******

1.4/23:-$905/-130$

2.4/29:-$638/+35$

3.5/05:/-$1,488/+890$

4.5/11:/-$1,468/+705$

5.5/17:/-$1,752/+220$

6.5/23:/N/A/+195$

7.5/29:/N/A+275$

8.6/04:

9.6/10:

10.6/16:


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sigh.......

Canceler said:

Just a couple unsolicited random comments…

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Just what I do lol. Keep it up!

Lord knows, OK we all do, what would happen if I waited to be solicited ............:grin:

And of course they can do whatever they want.

I guess 2 slightly different approaches have evolved - Froggy perhaps trying to follow a "plan" that called for jumping bets and no spreading and JJ perhaps, perhaps not, more "free-forming it" lol.

Maybe "beating someone" over so many hands is a different goal than just playing the way one first decided to play?

So far, maybe, following the "plan" seems to suck

But I just get lost without a yardstick of some kind lol.

sagefr0g said:

otherwise he might unleash the jack booted lock step ones on us. lol

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Are you kidding? - I pay for that stuff just to be properly punished for my Voodoo cr*p :grin:

No wonder I rarely count :grin:

Kasi said:

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And of course they can do whatever they want.

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oh really?

Kasi said:

I guess 2 slightly different approaches have evolved - Froggy perhaps trying to follow a "plan" that called for jumping bets and no spreading and JJ perhaps, perhaps not, more "free-forming it" lol.

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uh huh.

Kasi said:

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Maybe "beating someone" over so many hands is a different goal than just playing the way one first decided to play?

So far, maybe, following the "plan" seems to suck

But I just get lost without a yardstick of some kind lol.

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yeah it does seem to suck but then the plan with it's 24.6% ROR ain't too swift either. lol

and now the end is near, but i did it my way...

sagethepoisonousfrog*vs*jacktheghostriderjackson

Rules:6D,S17,NSA,75%pen,DAS,Lsr .36,HA

Conditions:3plyrs,1-10spread,Play-all,5,000K,BR

Submit results on these dates:

Schedule: (Start Date/4/17)

******Sage/Jack******

1.4/23:-$905/-130$

2.4/29:-$638/+35$

3.5/05:/-$1,488/+890$

4.5/11:/-$1,468/+705$

5.5/17:/-$1,752/+220$

6.5/23:/-$3,292/+195$

7.5/29:/N/A+275$

8.6/04:

9.6/10:

10.6/16:


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sigh......

Oh, Mr. Fr0g, what have you done??? :cry:

I was expecting your luck to change, but not for the WORSE! :cry: