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[jack.jackson]

this is what Kasi was suggesting.....
6 decks dealt 80%, not 75%. Play-all etc

$30 at TC 0 and below
Then $150, $325, $500 and $600 at Tc +4 and above.

And, for u JJ, if you want to spread, go ahead. Maybe only at max bets? How's that for a deal lol
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and i'm assumming
s17das-nrsa split to four hands full deck resolution flooring, no indexs, heads up only. hundred grand bankroll.
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lol i've already started.
but i can always restart if i'm wrong on all this.
haven't heard Aslan's vote on all this yet.

opinion jj needs to use that CVBJ. it ain't hard at all once you get it set up and goin. questions.... i'll help.

you have an idea for a scoreboard jj ?

Well just make-up a ScoreBoard as we go

Ill give CVBJ a try and see how it goes I guess. At least I fifured out the attachment. And as long as I log in(SET RULES) under the same name, CVBJ will do the rest, I think!

Im gonna stick to 1 hand, and *spread, the same as you guys.

*Referring to Bet spreads.

 

[jack.jackson]

Hate to cramp your style lol. But if you want to use level 2 counts or side counts, I wish I knew for sure, how "material" that might be, but I'd guess the side counts would be more for index departures anyway? And, I don't know, how different using level 2 counts would matter anyway if you bet same amount at the same TC anyway? Anyone have guesses lol. Maybe your CVDATA can figure something like that out lol.

Not at all. Pros have to be extremely flexible and well acclimated.
Just gonna use my Default count(Ao2/A) Hoping CVData Can produce Multi-params for 2220210-1-20(A-3vs5+3) I actually learnt this count. Kept the Sec by ones, then X3, for betting purposes:laugh:

Should we start a new thread here? In CC section maybe?

Im for a new thread! Sage?

Last Q, tho, should I keep my unit @ 30$ in lieu of 25$, to keep things level?

 

[Kasi]

Okay whats the official rules, again?
I'll be goin +2+4+6+8 for my L2

Ill be gettin started as soon as the official rules are established.
Im gonna go with physical cards, until I get a little more experience w/ CVBJ.
If its not to much of a problem Im gonna keep my BaseBet @25$
Should I make-up some sort of tally/score sheet?

Sure use a base bet of $25. So now we spread 1-24 instead of 1-20. Easy is good. We're jumping bets like crazy anyway lol.

Not sure what the +2+4+6+8 for ur L2 means?

The basic game is S17, DOA, DAS, split to 4 hands, one card to split aces, 6D, dealt to 80%, play-all, heads-up, no indexes, no surrender. Mostly just with the idea of broadening participation to anyone who wants to count and bet and knows Basic Strategy but maybe not indexes yet.

People really really want to use indexes too - go ahead. Why not - it'll only help the team lol. Maybe just say so when they post results. Maybe we end up with another sim for them eventually. Maybe we back out results from time to time of people doing some different things just to see if they've been helping or hurting lol.

No harm in keeping a tally/score sheet if you want. I'm hoping to be able to just put up a maybe a downloadable spreadsheet that would have indiv and team results maybe. And/or just summarize some basics periodically.

From individuals, number of hands played, dollars won/lost for sure. Comments on what they're doing welcome for sure. If they know more, dollars wagered etc, all the better - one more thing to compare to expected over time.

Heck I think Hoyle Blackjack could probably give alot of relevant information and be set up to play this game rule-wise. Maybe SAGE BJ can at least set the shuffle point and count the number of hands you've played for you if people want to use stuff like that. So what if SAGE doesn't tell you the TC - neither does the casino lol. I think it's free shareware. Physical cards - no problem. Set the cut-card right each shoe lol.

 

[aslan]

ok i like how it's set up also....
Aslan how about you?

There's been so much discussion about the rules that I'm no longer sure what they are. I think we'll be playing 6D, DAS, DOA, split to four hands, one card on aces, no surrender, 80% pen, play all. I plan to spread 1 to 10 using a base of $50 and max bet of $500, unless that has changed. I plan to use the betting progression recommended by KO, and I plan to use KO preferred strategy which includes 13 indexes for 6 deck.

How many shoes am I expected to complete? I will be doing this manually so it could take considerable time.

 

[Kasi]

lol i've already started.
but i can always restart if i'm wrong on all this.

Don't worry about it lol.

If you/anyone want to run a 1-24 spread with $25 min until +1 and same amounts (150 at =>+1, 325 at =>+2, 500 at =>+3, 600 at +4), great. If you can make CVCX floor using a TC calculated by number of cards remaining just to see if we're pretty close, great. If you do just send it to me so as not to bore the heck out of everyone.

All anyone needs anyway to begin playing and posting results is count with hi-lo in the defined game betting 25-600 at the defined points and play Basic Strategy. Then say how many hands played and dollars won or lost in those hands.

Definitely a new thread - here or where it really belongs is my only question :grin: ?

 

[aslan]

Don't worry about it lol.

If you/anyone want to run a 1-24 spread with $25 min until +1 and same amounts (150 at =>+1, 325 at =>+2, 500 at =>+3, 600 at +4), great. If you can make CVCX floor using a TC calculated by number of cards remaining just to see if we're pretty close, great. If you do just send it to me so as not to bore the heck out of everyone.

All anyone needs anyway to begin playing and posting results is count with hi-lo in the defined game betting 25-600 at the defined points and play Basic Strategy. Then say how many hands played and dollars won or lost in those hands.

Definitely a new thread - here or where it really belongs is my only question :grin: ?

Why do we want to spread 1 to 24? Will that ever occur in real life? I am beginning to doubt the usefulness of this.

 

[jack.jackson]

this is what Kasi was suggesting.....
6 decks dealt 80%, not 75%. Play-all etc

$30 at TC 0 and below
Then $150, $325, $500 and $600 at Tc +4 and above.

And, for u JJ, if you want to spread, go ahead. Maybe only at max bets? How's that for a deal lol
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and i'm assumming
s17das-nrsa split to four hands full deck resolution flooring, no indexs, heads up only. hundred grand bankroll.
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lol i've already started.
but i can always restart if i'm wrong on all this.
haven't heard Aslan's vote on all this yet.

opinion jj needs to use that CVBJ. it ain't hard at all once you get it set up and goin. questions.... i'll help.

you have an idea for a scoreboard jj ?

Cant seem to get 100K BR? 10,000 at the most. And anytime I exit and re-enter it starts me back at 1,000. I have to click on new session to get back 10,000.

Also, does cassie by default wait on you to make your bet?(heads-up)
-.33HA

 

[sagefr0g]

Cant seem to get 100K BR? 10,000 at the most. And anytime I exit and re-enter it starts me back at 1,000. I have to click on new session to get back 10,000.

got to History, maintain logs..... wipe out the TRIP for the player (but don't wipe out the player) you have set up then......
go to menu, options, basic rules set your starting bankroll.
consider the snippet below about bankroll......

from the help on bankroll:
The denominations of chips provided depend on the table limits. For example, if the minimum bet is $100, the game will not display $1 and $5 chips unless it must. As you play, change is made automatically to ensure that you do not have empty stacks. If necessary, half dollar coins will also be displayed and can be bet. If you have more than $18,000, only $18,000 in chips will be shown. However, the number in the chip box will show your actual bankroll. If you run out of chips, a MARKER button will appear in the chip box for borrowing money. You can also select menu FILE - MARKERS to buy and sell multiple markers.

Also, does cassie by default wait on you to make your bet?(heads-up)
-.33HA

whaaaa? lol sorry you lost me on that one.
i get 6 decks, S17, DAS, No Surrender, Peek
Estimated casino edge for these rules: 0.44 %
from : http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.php?numdecks=6+decks&soft17=s17&dbl=all&das=yes&surr=ns&peek=yes

 

[Kasi]

There's been so much discussion about the rules that I'm no longer sure what they are. I think we'll be playing 6D, DAS, DOA, split to four hands, one card on aces, no surrender, 80% pen, play all. I plan to spread 1 to 10 using a base of $50 and max bet of $500, unless that has changed. I plan to use the betting progression recommended by KO, and I plan to use KO preferred strategy which includes 13 indexes for 6 deck.

How many shoes am I expected to complete? I will be doing this manually so it could take considerable time.

You have the rules exactly right lol.

The Hi-Lo players are now spreading 24-1 lol.

$25 until TC+1 is achieved. TC+0.9 is still $25. Then $150 at +1 until 2, $325 at +3, $500 at +4 and $600 at +4 or greater.

If you/anyone can somehow come up with what you think would be a comparable 24-1 KO spread that would be cool or know what KO count is about the same as a Hi-Lo TC +1 that 's probably pretty close. So we're betting 6 units at 1, 13 at 2, 20 at 3 and 24 at 4 with a $25 unit. Or just bet $25 instead of $50 (I assume was only for neg counts? Or was it a back-counting or something spread but not play-all?) and now it's a 1-20 spread anyway.

Maybe someone here can sim a 24-1 for a KO guy that might be comparable results to the above spread for Hi-lo. There's no hurry. I'll work on something.

Pretend you have access to this game with no heat, $100K, and want to spread 24-1 playing-all hands with a min $25 unit and an ROR 2% or less. How would you bet it lol?

Make your best guess at when to bet 6 units, 13 units, 20 units and 24 units if you want.

If you really want to do your mentioned 1-10 spread in this play-all game. Go ahead. Whatever you choose, just try to be consistent. We can figure things out with and without your results. In the meantime, eventually someone here will figure out what's expected from your betting plan and then, if you always bet that way, you'll know where you stand EV_wise and "lucky"-wise that was tailored just for you.

Go ahead and use KO preferred if you want.

You're not expected to complete any number of shoes. Play as much or as little as you feel like. Do your best to keep track of number of hands played and dollars won/lost in those hands.

 

[sagefr0g]

a new thread in card counting

seems like a good idea most everyone says a new thread in card counting.
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=82166&postcount=1
hang in there Aslan on the reality factor. i've had similar concerns.
so i for one think you have a good point. kets see if Kasi, jj have any comments, arguments what ever.
edit..... just checked above and see Kasi addressed that point.
are we cool with it Aslan?

 

[jack.jackson]

2,325$ up first shoe.


How do you take the stategy trainer off?


Have to change NRSA. Had the option, but didnt take it.

 

[sagefr0g]

2,325$ up first shoe.


How do you take the stategy trainer off?


Have to change NRSA. Had the option, but didnt take it.

go to Stratagies, complex strategy and turn of the warning on strategy error.


for the NRSA go to Options, Settings.... it in there somewhere.....

 

[Kasi]

Why do we want to spread 1 to 24? Will that ever occur in real life? I am beginning to doubt the usefulness of this.

There's lots about this that's not likely to occur in real llife lol. Probably almost everything from the bet spread itself let alone with no betting cover, to using no indexes, to playing-all, to even finding such a consistently dealt game. And even if all of that somehow was "real-life", it's hard to believe anyone would choose to bet their $100K this way anyway lol.

On the other hand, I'm hoping it's ultimate usefulness may lie in people learning what to expect from however they choose to bet their money and in the meantime testing their counting skills in a way that allows them to measure their "luckiness" over time so they actually know if they are unlucky or good. Maybe show that's not really that hard of a thing if you know what to expect from how you're betting your money. Maybe show it might be better to keep track of number of hands, hours too if you want of course, basically perhaps showing the importance or usefulness of a more detailed log other than I played 27 sessions and won 16 of them kind of thing. Maybe to show how tough betting to any "plan" is. Maybe, like you just did lol, decide this 1-24 spread is impractical but a 1-10 spread is doable and maybe you'll make sure to know what to expect from betting that way.

So maybe such things might be applied in the real world to some degree.

And maybe just for the fun of seeing what happens, the ups and downs, the highs and lows, and whether the team, diverse in styles as they may be, ever doubles their roll or not, reaches N0 or not.

 

[Kasi]

Cant seem to get 100K BR? 10,000 at the most. And anytime I exit and re-enter it starts me back at 1,000. I have to click on new session to get back 10,000.-.33HA

If it's a problem, you don't really need a $100K bankroll although you are betting to one. All you really need to know is number of hands played and net dollars won/lost over those hands. I don't care how you/anyone keeps track of that. As long as you bet the spread in dollars at the defined TC's.

There sure are alot of bells and whistles in CVBJ - even my 10 yr old Version 2.1 lol. God knows what it has these days lol.

 

[Kasi]

2,325$ up first shoe.

I guess eventually we may get a handle on avg number of hands played per shoe.

How many hands do you think you played? lol.

Guess the Wise One, or me lol, better play a shoe so the team is back to even lmao.

 

[sagefr0g]

sigh we all need a little help now and then

I'm trying to help!! Move to VOOODOOO! Helping here. zg

don't worry Zen. some of us haven't given up on voodoo. and there is hope that others will try too :devil: . just wanna have the best of both worlds AP & what?
the placebo effect maybe.