System Scammer of the Week?

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zengrifter

zengrifter

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Maybe not "scammer"

I changed that word to promoter - and I think CIPHER would prefer the word "developer" after reviewing his site. He's a former student of Jerry Patterson. zg
 
Sonny

Sonny

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So basically this guy is saying that he can crack the RNG of any casino software? On top of that, he claims that the casino's software will "develop scientific patterns" that can be tracked using the "near art-form" of "Trend Analysis"?

Yup, he's a Patterson offshoot alright! :laugh:

I thought that we had cleared up the whole "trend/streak/pattern/" debate already:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=1895&page=7

See page 7 for the highlights:

"In fact, the truth is that there are no trends at all! Our human minds are always trying to make sense out of randomness...When the results stop conforming to this imaginary system we have developed, we say “Oh, the streak must be over now” but in reality it was never there to begin with. It was all just a figment of our imagination."

-Sonny-
 
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CIPHER

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Sonny said:
So basically this guy is saying that he can crack the RNG of any casino software? On top of that, he claims that the casino's software will "develop scientific patterns" that can be tracked using the "near art-form" of "Trend Analysis"?

Yup, he's a Patterson offshoot alright! :laugh:

I thought that we had cleared up the whole "trend/streak/pattern/" debate already:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=1895&page=7

See page 7 for the highlights:

"In fact, the truth is that there are no trends at all! Our human minds are always trying to make sense out of randomness...When the results stop conforming to this imaginary system we have developed, we say “Oh, the streak must be over now” but in reality it was never there to begin with. It was all just a figment of our imagination."

-Sonny-
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Well Sonny:

This must be your Lucky Day. It looks like you just might be the type of candidate (partner) ScottH might be looking for to help him take some of my money. If you're feeling froggie and you've got change for a quarter your welcome to join in the fun. Let me know when your money is on account at Intercasino.

Have a good one.

Cipher
 
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ScottH

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Well Sonny:

This must be your Lucky Day. It looks like you just might be the type of candidate (partner) ScottH might be looking for to help him take some of my money. If you're feeling froggie and you've got change for a quarter your welcome to join in the fun. Let me know when your money is on account at Intercasino.

Have a good one.

Cipher
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I have a feeling that you set the bet at 5000 knowing that most players can't or arent willing to accept.

We'll see if there is enough interest to start a "team" to raise the money needed for the bet, but I doubt it.
 
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ScottH

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The fact that noone will accept your challenge does't show that they believe your system might have some merit. It just shows that you have enough money where you can easily gamble with that 5000, and I dont think most people can.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Well what about it, Sonny? Feeling a little froggie today?

CIPHER, how many hands do you feel is necessary to make this sort of statistical 'proof'? zg
 
Sonny

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ScottH said:
The fact that noone will accept your challenge does't show that they believe your system might have some merit. It just shows that you have enough money where you can easily gamble with that 5000, and I dont think most people can.
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Good point. I'm sure that Cipher would be willing to share some of his mathematical proof with us for free. After all, I'm sure he's done all the necessary calculations and simulations to support his "scientific patterns" and "trend analysis" theories. Since he is the one who proposed the system the burden of proof is on him.

After all, no intellegent player would risk $5,000 on the random results of a short-term experiment. We want to see proof that his software and theories work in the long run. That should be easy enough to prove in writing, especially from the guy who designed the system.

Hey Cipher, can you give us a brief synopsis of how your system correlates to the supposed "trends" and how you can anticipate these trends?

-Sonny-
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Sonny said:
Hey Cipher, can you give us a brief synopsis of how your system correlates to the supposed "trends" and how you can anticipate these trends?
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And does it have any correlation to dirty ashtrays?

Seriously, CIPHER, how many hands do you think it takes to make a statistical proof? zg
 
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E-town-guy

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I thought your program cost like $800, maybe that was for the equipment used for the roulette wheel tracking.

So basically your program analyzes trends and when the trend is right you up your bet?

If the program is free it would be worth trying out but still flat betting. At the end you could keep a record of how much you would have won when the trend said to bet big and compare it to when the trend said to bet small.

Does your program work with all online casinos?

Am I right that this is your idea: if the online casinos were completely random then your program would not work but they are not completely random so you believe there is a method to exploit that?
 
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CIPHER

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zengrifter said:
Well what about it, Sonny? Feeling a little froggie today?

CIPHER, how many hands do you feel is necessary to make this sort of statistical 'proof'? zg
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Hi Zengrifter:

As the mathematician in our midst stated in an earlier post 1,750. The other thing that I'll point out is what do you think the odds would be of winning 60 sessions (for a minimum of a "C" note) in a row at INTERCASINO without a losing session would be.

If you'll check out the Tutorial Section at http://www.cipherblackjack.com (Archive copy) at the bottom of that Tutorial page you'll find the data incident to that run and every bit of that data is supported by INTERCASINO log viewer records.

Have a good one.

Cipher
 
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ScottH

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E-town-guy said:
If the program is free it would be worth trying out but still flat betting. At the end you could keep a record of how much you would have won when the trend said to bet big and compare it to when the trend said to bet small.
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I'm not an expert on his system but he did say on his site that the results vary drastically when higher amount bets are out. So flat-betting wouldn't be using his "system" correctly, from what I understand.

Sonny said:
Hey Cipher, can you give us a brief synopsis of how your system correlates to the supposed "trends" and how you can anticipate these trends?
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From what I have seen it looks like some sort of positive progression.

Cipher, 1750 is a very small number of hands to show any meaningful results.

Zengrifter, how many hands do you think we would need to play?
 
Liquid Chips

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Cipher is a very serious player in online gambling. He has helped many players get their money from the online casinos. He helped a certain fellow, Pirate of 21, get his $1.3 million he won in blackjack, at least a substanial part of it. Lately he helped another person get over $700,000 from a casino that was stalling the payout. These are documented over at Casinomeister site.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Liquid Chips said:
Cipher is a very serious player in online gambling. He has helped many players get their money from the online casinos. He helped a certain fellow, Pirate of 21, get his $1.3 million he won in blackjack, at least a substanial part of it. Lately he helped another person get over $700,000 from a casino that was stalling the payout. These are documented over at Casinomeister site.
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Do you care to render an opinion regarding his trend-analysis system? zg
 
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bjcpalmer

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Friends!

I don't mind posting my results. I never played a hand of blackjack in my life. I challenged myself to take 500 and make it 20,000.00. At the end of 5 weeks using Cipher I have grown my bank from 500 to 4000.00. I have a total of 73 sessions, all posting a net profit. The Cipher program is awesome, I would never play with out it. It is no substitute for mature and basic black jack strategies, however when used properly it definately has given me the edge. It is very novel in its approach.

Regards,
Chris
 
Liquid Chips

Liquid Chips

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zengrifter said:
Do you care to render an opinion regarding his trend-analysis system? zg
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I think it's great. It gives a visual record of your wins and losses, and you can see some patterns develop. I've done well with it along with the tips Cipher has given over the past couple of years at Casinomeister and Online Players Union. If you don't keep track of your wins and losses currently, try it out....it's free. But do take time to learn it at his websites....the scrolls and strands and videos.

I've written about Cipher before...see:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=1007&highlight=cipher
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=1601&highlight=cipher
 
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ScottH

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Hey Cipher, what starting bankroll do you recomend for your system to work? And how much is a session bankroll?

I downloaded the progam, and I didn't see where the correct wager to be bet was displayed.
 
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bjcpalmer

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Hi Scott!

The system doesn't "tell" you to do anything. You configure it with the appropriate betting levels. You utilize these bet levels to your advantage at the opportune time. As you see the strand unwind you will know. Its imperative you watch some of the download videos prior to using it. There are some best practices communicated in the videos. However.....Practice, Practice, Practice.

Chris
 
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ScottH

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bjcpalmer said:
Hi Scott!

The system doesn't "tell" you to do anything. You configure it with the appropriate betting levels. You utilize these bet levels to your advantage at the opportune time. As you see the strand unwind you will know. Its imperative you watch some of the download videos prior to using it. There are some best practices communicated in the videos. However.....Practice, Practice, Practice.

Chris
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Ok, I guess I should watch all the videos before attempting any tests on the program. Thanks for the info.
 
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