Lucky Ladies roundup

aslan

aslan

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9 meaning it pays 9 to 1 on a suited 20?

I have always waited until a KO +8 for this bet, since KO is inflated a bit above its pivot point +4. I have never seen an analysis based on pen before. Generally where I've seen it, the pen is 1.5 or greater. I am surprised at the difference between LL9 and LL10.
 
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BJgenius007

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Automatic Monkey said:
OK, the question often comes up- "How do I play Lucky Ladies?"

Here are the strike points and their typical yields for a bunch of different counts and situations. Both the LL9 and LL10 paytables.
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Where is my AO2?
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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BJgenius007 said:
Where is my AO2?
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Come on, I can't do them all! I picked a bunch of commonly-used counts, plus a few that are especially good for Lucky Ladies. Guessing that you would treat AO2 like you would treat Zen.
 
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NightStalker

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Thanks for the chart

Is it possible for you to post the Effect of Qh?
What count is required ignoring the Qh-Qh 200:1 and higher payout for double deck? (atleast for hi-lo)
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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zengrifter said:
Yes, but with inverse +EV attributed to Ace-lean. zg
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The effect of the ace vs. 9 bias you can see in the difference between High-Low and Revere Plus-Minus. It's hardly anything, and it doesn't affect the strike point. The ace and 9 are still negative cards relative to the LL bet.

Counting the Qh is easy and relevant in the DD game, where if either Qh comes out you tweak your strike point higher, but I don't think it buys you much in the shoe game. I'll have to investigate that.
 
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NightStalker

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Automatic Monkey said:
Counting the Qh is easy and relevant in the DD game, where if either Qh comes out you tweak your strike point higher, but I don't think it buys you much in the shoe game. I'll have to investigate that.
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I think it was close to hi-lo +11 for 2-deck, but would love you to verify.
 
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BJgenius007

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Automatic Monkey said:
Come on, I can't do them all! I picked a bunch of commonly-used counts, plus a few that are especially good for Lucky Ladies. Guessing that you would treat AO2 like you would treat Zen.
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Just came back from casino. I placed $5 to $25 LL side bet when true count was +7 or higher, playing a shoe game. Even true count hit as high as +26, I did not get one single hit all afternoon. Then later when true count was only moderately positive (+2 to +5), I kept getting same ten suits. Everybody kept telling me I should have bet on lucky lady but I told them I was done with her today.
 
aslan

aslan

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BJgenius007 said:
Just came back from casino. I placed $5 to $25 LL side bet when true count was +7 or higher, playing a shoe game. Even true count hit as high as +26, I did not get one single hit all afternoon. Then later when true count was only moderately positive (+2 to +5), I kept getting same ten suits. Everybody kept telling me I should have bet on lucky lady but I told them I was done with her today.
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Reminds me of Emerald Queen near Seattle. I could hardly get a hit betting +8 and above, but when the count was negative, here comes the QhQh. Of course, everyone says I shouldn't have stopped betting it. What could I say? :laugh:
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Automatic Monkey said:
Counting the Qh is easy and relevant in the DD game, where if either Qh comes out you tweak your strike point higher, but I don't think it buys you much in the shoe game. I'll have to investigate that.
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The chart will be complete when you add the Qh sidecount value. zg
 
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getwellboss

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aslan said:
Reminds me of Emerald Queen near Seattle. I could hardly get a hit betting +8 and above, but when the count was negative, here comes the QhQh. Of course, everyone says I shouldn't have stopped betting it. What could I say? :laugh:
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have you found any success when using KO on this bet? I was thinking about trying this out in Vegas next month.

Also, does anyone know the casinos in Vegas that offer this side bet? I've been searching google and only found Slots-A-Fun. Everything else is just analysis(which is a good read) or something talking about Lady Luck. Sadly no luck on finding the casinos.
 
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