Lucky Ladies roundup

[zengrifter]

have you found any success when using KO on this bet? I was thinking about trying this out in Vegas next month.

His results are statistically meaningless.
Just make sure you know when to hit it and you don't UNDER-bet it. zg

 

[getwellboss]

His results are statistically meaningless.
Just make sure you know when to hit it and you don't UNDER-bet it. zg

Ya, I saw that you posted that you bet $25(which is typically the maximum) in multiple threads on this site and I figured on doing the same when the count was right.

And while statistically they are meaningless because of the sample size, i was more just curious on how he did with KO or if there was a better system to use for this side bet. I guess I could have phrased it better.

 

[zengrifter]

i was more just curious on how he did with KO or if there was a better system to use for this side bet. I guess I could have phrased it better.

There are a couple of specialty counts for LLs, but they are poor for main game bets and plays. Just use the KO
that you are comfortable with and make sure that your strike points are correct, especially for the pay-version you engage (QQh 125 vs 200, etc.). zg

 

[getwellboss]

There are a couple of specialty counts for LLs, but they are poor for main game bets and plays. Just use the KO
that you are comfortable with and make sure that your strike points are correct, especially for the pay-version you engage (QQh 125 vs 200, etc.). zg

gotcha. thanks.

 

[Maestro]

Snyder wrote in Big Book of Blackjack that you would win the Lucky Ladies bet about 10% of the time.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

snyder wrote in big book of blackjack that you would win the lucky ladies bet about 10% of the time.

13-14%.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

There are a couple of specialty counts for LLs, but they are poor for main game bets and plays. Just use the KO
that you are comfortable with and make sure that your strike points are correct, especially for the pay-version you engage (QQh 125 vs 200, etc.). zg

I don't know. If you were limited on the BJ bet, to $50-100 or so, you might be better off using Fry/JSTAT with the proper ace sidecount. If I had a locals game near me I didn't want to burn out, I'd probably approach it like that.

 

[shadroch]

I hit the QH-QH twice in about eight hours of playing this in Vegas over the last two weeks. What sucked was both times, the dealer was showing an Ace and as I was only playing this in positive situations, the chances for a dealer BJ were higher than the normal 4-1. Didn't get either. Its anti-climatic getting paid 125-1 when you have a fairly realistic shot at a 1000-1 payout.
In one streak, I hit a 125-1 payout, two 19-1 payouts and a 9-1 payout within a stretch of five hands.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I hit the QH-QH twice in about eight hours of playing this in Vegas over the last two weeks. What sucked was both times, the dealer was showing an Ace and as I was only playing this in positive situations, the chances for a dealer BJ were higher than the normal 4-1. Didn't get either. Its anti-climatic getting paid 125-1 when you have a fairly realistic shot at a 1000-1 payout.
In one streak, I hit a 125-1 payout, two 19-1 payouts and a 9-1 payout within a stretch of five hands.

Lucky! In a session, somewhat longer than 8 hours, using a right mighty count for LL...

Not only did I not hit the Qh-Qh even once, I did not even get a perfect match once, and there's more to the story that makes it much more improbable. But it still made a little bit of money, Go figure.

 

[BJgenius007]

I hit the QH-QH twice in about eight hours of playing this in Vegas over the last two weeks. What sucked was both times, the dealer was showing an Ace and as I was only playing this in positive situations, the chances for a dealer BJ were higher than the normal 4-1. Didn't get either. Its anti-climatic getting paid 125-1 when you have a fairly realistic shot at a 1000-1 payout.
In one streak, I hit a 125-1 payout, two 19-1 payouts and a 9-1 payout within a stretch of five hands.

The LL payout is quite different here.

QhQh + dealer BJ = 1000x

QhQh = 200x

matched tens = 20x

suited 20 = 10x

unsuited 20 = 4x

Most people play $5 LL side bet here. So if he gets Queen Heart pair, he gets paid $1000 instantly, better than your $625.

Did anyone calculate which system pays more?

 

[shadroch]

Hitting it twice in about 500 hands is very lucky, no doubt about it. I hit them at a very local casino and had two regulars complaining about how I had "taken" two jackpots and other such nonsense. Not sure what might have happened had I hit a third.

 

[rrwoods]

There are a couple of specialty counts for LLs, but they are poor for main game bets and plays.

The mathematician in me is curious -- What are these counts? I'd imagine there's a count that includes Ace/Nine or something, or is that actually worse? Is siding Queen of Hearts worth it?

 

[zengrifter]

The mathematician in me is curious -- What are these counts? I'd imagine there's a count that includes Ace/Nine or something, or is that actually worse? Is siding Queen of Hearts worth it?

A modified 10-count with a depletion sidecount of Qh is what Eliot Jacobson advocates. zg

 

[rrwoods]

I'm thinking of trying out the Archer Insurance count (X = -2, others = +1), but if I use it I'd like to use it for insurance as well. Where can I find more info on it? Specifically the insurance index and the IRC?

Also, your WR listed is "per 100 hands" -- is that per 100 hands where you bet on LL, or per 100 hands total (including when you don't make the side bet)?

EDIT: Your table has two Archer Insurance counts on it... I can't find what the difference might be.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I'm thinking of trying out the Archer Insurance count (X = -2, others = +1), but if I use it I'd like to use it for insurance as well. Where can I find more info on it? Specifically the insurance index and the IRC?

Also, your WR listed is "per 100 hands" -- is that per 100 hands where you bet on LL, or per 100 hands total (including when you don't make the side bet)?

EDIT: Your table has two Archer Insurance counts on it... I can't find what the difference might be.

One is true counted, the other is strictly RC. Makes little difference for this application. But some people use the Archer count for betting and other playing decisions too and true counting can be helpful.

When you use the insurance count for insurance and the IRC is -4*decks, the running count strike point is 0. Flat, dead zero, and it applies at any point in the shoe and for any number of decks. Same for the index play of 12 vs. 2, exactly at zero. This play isn't worth as much as insurance but it's a decision you are always making with a bit of money on the table so it's worth remembering.

 

[Solo player]

Bet spread

Since LL is offered in only a few casinos. Seems like your going to be camping out at the table for a while. For your hand it would seem that you could not spread much,if at all? Or do you just flat bet?

Also in a place Slots of Fun the table limits are low. If your playing red chips on your hand and push a green out when the strike number comes up would that draw attention?

 

[aslan]

Lucky! In a session, somewhat longer than 8 hours, using a right mighty count for LL...

Not only did I not hit the Qh-Qh even once, I did not even get a perfect match once, and there's more to the story that makes it much more improbable. But it still made a little bit of money, Go figure.

I did hit the suited match once a couple of weeks ago for 19 to 1 at $25, but unbelievably, I blew about $300 without so much as a simple twenty on the same night at higher than +10 counts. It had me questioning myself-- did I lose the count, jump it up decade? No, I think it just happens sometimes.

 

[ohbehave]

Since LL is offered in only a few casinos. Seems like your going to be camping out at the table for a while. For your hand it would seem that you could not spread much,if at all? Or do you just flat bet?

Also in a place Slots of Fun the table limits are low. If your playing red chips on your hand and push a green out when the strike number comes up would that draw attention?

I'm curious what others think about drawing attention as well. But, presumably at the strike point one would have max bet out so maybe it could look like you have decided to gamble on the LL. If you do happen to hit the Qh's though that store will probably be off limits for "awhile". :whip:

 

[FLASH1296]

If you bet it, you do so by dropping a green chip off of your stacked bet with
a pause and a shrug of the shoulders, as if the bet is merely an afterthought.

Can you say camouflage ?

 

[ohbehave]

If you bet it, you do so by dropping a green chip off of your stacked bet with
a pause and a shrug of the shoulders, as if the bet is merely an afterthought.

Can you say camouflage ?

Yes, but the dealers around here hardly pause long enough to get the initial wagers out. Forget about a pause to "ponder" putting out a side bet. You gotta have it ready to go or they start dealing. Point taken, though, Flash. Thanks for the feedback.