My 1st Strategy - FREE!!!

Maybe I am a nut to release this info. Even inside right now I feel sickly. Am I doing the right thing? But I feel the need.

I feel the need to silence the naysayers. I also have other reasons that I will not mention here. I have good friends who have doubted me as well and it is time they got confirmation.

I have indeed found 2 mathematical strategies that beat the casino. The first was BlackJack and who knows if it is applicable to other games at the casino? You may find a way. The 2nd strategy I will not release at this time. It beats not only BlackJack but other games as well, possibly all of them. Roulette is a tough one though for several reasons.

I will walk you through the strategy step by step below.

I will use $5 base bets as my example. I am sure any serious gambler will understand the terminology that I use.

There are 3 keys to the strategy:

#1: 3 to 2 payouts on BlackJack.
#2: Increasing bets after a win.
#3: An "External Indicator" (my Bankroll or Buy-In).

I have mentioned before both "Internal" and "External Indicators". Internal Indicators are what the progression players use. Internal Indicators are: (wins,losses,or certain hand totals like a 20 or 12 or whatever) External Indicators are something outside of the above examples. Card Counting is an External Indicator. Card Counting identifies times that are favorable to the player apart from wins and losses. You could have 5 losses in a row or 5 wins in a row, it wouldn't matter; when the count is favorable the bets increase. But card counting is such a difficult task both to learn and to employ in a casino. Why hasn't someone figured out a better way by now?

I expect you all to test this and if you are all honest you will find that the strategy never fails to regain all losses and earn a profit. I made good money with this strategy. It can be improved.

Now to actually using the strategy. You will see the absolute simplicity of it in comparison with Card Counting:

Here I go:

#1: I would sit down at a table at any time. It does not matter if it is at the beginning or end of a shoe. Shoe's mean nothing in mathematics. Card Counting is more about what physically remains in a deck, not math. But math is used to show some numbers as to how favorable having more high cards than low cards can be, etc. etc.. (I will also mention that i always played 6 deck shoes and that I have never tested with any other number of decks although I think that is irrelevant because this is about math not physics).

I will also mention that Surrender does not work with the strategy. Do not employ it. The strategy will fail if you do.

#2: I would play perfect Basic Strategy excluding Surrender.

#3: I employed one "Internal Indicator" which is a hand that is a "Natural" or "BlackJack". If my "External Indicator" approved, I would then increase my bets by 1 unit after each BlackJack that was dealt to me, and decrease my bet by 1 unit after each BlackJack dealt to the dealer.

#4: I employed an "External Indicator". My External Indicator for this strategy is my bankroll. That's right, my bankroll. My bankroll determined whether or not I increased or decreased my bets when I got a BlackJack. I would only increase my bets when getting a BlackJack if i was down money from my bankroll.

#5: I kept my winnings seperate from my bankroll (buy in).

Here is how the play would occur:

Let's say that we start with a $200 buy in. I would set my chips up neatly on one side so that I could easily count them. I would then begin to play. Any money that I won over and above my bankroll would be set to my other side and always kept seperate. Any money won that was less than or up to my $200 bankroll was set in my bankroll pile.

It would not be long before I start to lose money. So I keep playing anyway. I am at $5 base bets. I get a BlackJack. I see though that I am over the $200 I started with. I then set the money over and above my $200 Bankroll into my winnings pile and then keep my bet at base $5. I play a little longer and the dealer gets a BlackJack. I am supposed to reduce my bets by one $5 unit when the dealer gets a BlackJack. But I am already at base so I continue at $5. Suddenly I get a BlackJack! I check my bankroll, and I see that this time I am down money from my $200 Bankroll/Buy In. I therefore increase my bet by one $5 unit to $10.

Now let's say that I get another BJ (BlackJack). I am still down money from my $200 buy in - excluding my winnings pile from my chip count - and therefore I increase my bet by one unit to $15. Let's say I get another BJ but am still down money. Again I increase my bet by one unit to $20. But before I get my money back the dealer gets a BJ. I drop my bet by one unit to $15. Then I get 2 more BJ in a row and my bet goes to $20 and then $25.

Finally I get one more BJ. After I collect my winnings I notice that I have now won back my original buy-in plus extra. Now that I have my buy in money back (My External Indicator being the Bankroll/Buy in) I drop my bets down to the base ($5). Then I seperate the money that is over and above the $200 from my bankroll pile.

So, for example, I could have had my bets at 8 units which is $40. I get my money back and I immediately drop my bets to base which is $5. I then restart the process all over again.

There are 2 ways that this can be done. You can always wait until you get a BJ that has won you more than your buy in before dropping your bet to base and then seperate your winnings from your bankroll/buy in, or you can do what I did playing at the casinos. I would drop my bet to base the minute I made more than my $200 whether the winning hand was a BJ or a 12 or whatever.

For the purpose of simplicity when testing the strategy, I suggest you only drop the bet to base after having won your money back after you got a BJ. It is just simpler to remember your starting bankroll in a computer game and then see how you lose money and then see how those BJ's eventually drive your total up and above the bankroll you started with.

I will say that the number of other player's at the BlackJack table is 100% irrelevant. Their decisions have no effect. It is simply amazing, but those BlackJack's will come in their time. They cannot be stopped!

Anyway, that is all I am saying for now. That is all I can say I think. Please post any questions and I will get to them when I get to them. Or you can private message me.

For the sake of proving my identity as to it being myself that wrote this, I am going to leave a few indicators as to my identity that I could refer to in the future if necessary. I don't want to leave my name as I think that should the casinos ever ID me and see my name they may realize my identity and give me grief about playing. I don't need that.

Here are my indicators for my own reference:

Birthdate 01/02/77
Surname given at birth but not legal name: Linge
(Diversified)
My Initials TCW

Good Luck all, and... You are welcome!

Licentia

"Maybe I am a nut to release this info. Even inside right now I feel sickly. Am I doing the right thing? But I feel the need."

That's a little dramatic, don't you think?

This goes without saying, good luck with your system...

Thanks for sharing. I'm having trouble understanding where the advantage in your strategy comes from though. After you get a blackjack, the remaining deck is actually statistically less favorable for you, so why would you increase your bet? You would just be throwing more money against a slightly larger house edge. If you're only playing basic strategy with no counting, your average chance at winning each hand is about 49.6%, can you explain how your strategy pushes that over 50%? Also, you're using an "external indicator" (your bankroll), can you explain how can the amount of money you've lost in the past affects future hands?

Good questions

fwb- If you keep asking questions like that, they're gonna revoke your Voodoo Forum permit! :joker:

Looks similar to "Oscars Grind". Except you are only increasing your bet after a BJ where Oscars Grind would increase after a win. Relies on betting more in positive streaks to keep you afloat. I would guess the Oscars Grind system would average a greater number of hands before bankroll ruin but can't sim it. Your post reads like an email a lawyer keeps sending me about an assassinated African dictator, we're going to split the profits of his fortune after I set him up with my banking info.
BW

My gut is, if you go down for double and win, and your bankroll has been increased over what you started with, it's time to wong out for a hamburger and fries. I can't on the surface see any merit whatsoever to this gobballygook system. I appreciate fwb's attempt to put it into a logical context. If Licentia cannot explain the cause and effect of his/her own system, I suggest she/he is most probably a shill for the forum used to drum up a little interest to keep the board from falling into the doldrums. Good job, Ken! Or maybe he/she just likes to stir up the pot for self serving reasons known only to her/himself. Whatever, I have never been a proponent of trial and error systems, unless of course you mean a few million trials and errors by simulation. Can anyone simulate Licentia's new system? At least she/he had the foresight to put this thread in the Voodoo section.

Brock Windsor said:

Looks similar to "Oscars Grind". Except you are only increasing your bet after a BJ where Oscars Grind would increase after a win. Relies on betting more in positive streaks to keep you afloat. I would guess the Oscars Grind system would average a greater number of hands before bankroll ruin but can't sim it. Your post reads like an email a lawyer keeps sending me about an assassinated African dictator, we're going to split the profits of his fortune after I set him up with my banking info.
BW

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Doesn't the word streak suggest more than one win?

I don't see any resemblence to Oscars Grind. None.

TheProdigy said:

"Maybe I am a nut to release this info. Even inside right now I feel sickly. Am I doing the right thing? But I feel the need."

That's a little dramatic, don't you think?

This goes without saying, good luck with your system...

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Why don't you try the strategy before you knock it and mock me?

No Bj?

This a "what if"....

It has happened to me, what if you don't get a Bj for several sessions? A session is four days long. Like three sessions, twelve days...No Bj.

Licentia said:

Why don't you try the strategy before you knock it and mock me?

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How about because your system has no mathematical worth what-so-ever, and hence doesn't give the player any advantage or chance of winning in the long run? It doesn't really do you any credit to use the work "mathematical" when everything you base your system on is anecdotal in nature.
I'm waiting with baited breath for you to tell me how much the second 'system' costs.

RJT.

fwb said:

Thanks for sharing. I'm having trouble understanding where the advantage in your strategy comes from though. After you get a blackjack, the remaining deck is actually statistically less favorable for you, so why would you increase your bet? You would just be throwing more money against a slightly larger house edge. If you're only playing basic strategy with no counting, your average chance at winning each hand is about 49.6%, can you explain how your strategy pushes that over 50%? Also, you're using an "external indicator" (your bankroll), can you explain how can the amount of money you've lost in the past affects future hands?

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Allow me first to explain how this strategy came in to existence:

It was actually an attempt at beating Roulette. I was a progression player then and did not know it. But one day while I was playing around on "Monopoly Casino" and messing around with different ideas I was struck with an idea: Why not increase my bets after a win rather than after a loss like so many amateur players do!

So I did so. I was playing the "Outside" on Roulette. Red/Black, 1st 12, 2nd 12, 3rd 12, etc.. I found that if I multiplied my bets by 2 after each win, that I would eventually win back more than I started with! But there was a problem... If my bets remained high, then when my win streak would end, and I would lose a ton of money back to the Croupier according to the 5.26% house edge, or probably worse!

So I thought... why not just drop my bets after I get my money back?

This is how I eventually got the strategy to work: I would multiply my bet by 2 after each win and divide by 2 after each loss. When I got my bankroll money back I would drop my bet to the base bet which was $1. So my bets would go $1, $2, $4, $8, $4, $8, $12, etc..

fwb said:

I'm having trouble understanding where the advantage in your strategy comes from though.

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*Here is the advantage: When I am losing, my bets are pushed down. I am betting only $2-$8 the majority of the time. But as the Croupier's hot streak ends and mine begins, my bets increase and increase! Soon I am betting $32 or $64. Although my win streak is shorter than the Croupier's, I am betting higher and therefore I recoup my losses and even win some money on top!

*Let me say the above again in BlackJack language: When I am losing, my bets are pushed down because the Dealer is hot and is getting lots of BJs. My bets spend the majority of the time at $5-$10. But as the Dealer hot streak ends, mine begins and the frequency of me obtaining BJs increases. As I get more and more BJs, my bets go up and up and so while my win streak is not as long as the Dealer's win streak, my bets are much higher while I am winning. My bets go up to $30-$40 and with the 3 to 2 payouts on BJs I am making a pretty penny. Eventually I win enough that it puts me up above my starting point.

A quick note: I am a very amateur programmer. I taught myself some QuickBasic. It isn't difficult to write a Roulette testing program. It would be much more complex to write a program for BlackJack. Creating virtual decks and teaching the program to play perfect Basic Strategy would be quite a chore and therefore I have not tackled it. I also suffer from tendinitis which complicates things further.

I did however write programs to test this Roulette strategy. Indeed it worked without fail to always recoup my losses. Over Millions of hands I tested it. But there was a problem. The bets would - although rarely - increase far too high for the table limits. They could increase from $1 to $16,384 before I got my money back! Obviously I needed a game that had a lower house edge. That game was BlackJack.

fwb said:

After you get a blackjack, the remaining deck is actually statistically less favorable for you, so why would you increase your bet?

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Unfortunately you have been trained to "think inside the shoe." You have to stop that. There are no shoes in Roulette. BlackJack has win streaks and loss streaks just like Roulette. Shoes are irrelevant. Shuffles, Penetration, all of that is irrelevant.

You need to look at the number of hands between BlackJacks. When you are losing you can wait 30,40,50+ hands between BJs. When winning they come far more frequently, even 3 in a row! When your BJs aren't coming, your bets are low because the Dealer is getting the majority of the BlackJacks. As you get more and more BJs, your bets increase and increase and before you know it you have recouped all of your losses and more!

fwb said:

If you're only playing basic strategy with no counting, your average chance at winning each hand is about 49.6%, can you explain how your strategy pushes that over 50%?

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Neither my strategy nor Card Counting can increase the percentage of hands that you win. Both strategies work by betting low when circumstances are not in your favor, and by betting high when they are.

fwb said:

Also, you're using an "external indicator" (your bankroll), can you explain how can the amount of money you've lost in the past affects future hands?

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The bankroll tells me only when to increase and decrease bets. If I am ahead money (winning streak) I keep my bets at the base even if I get BJs, because I have no idea when the win streak will end. If I am down money (losing streak) and I get BJs I increase my bets. When I get my money back I know that it is now time to drop my bets, because if I keep them high and my win streak ends, that I will lose a whole whack of cash back to the Casino. And, as you know, there is no way to tell when my win streak will end.

Since the win streak always pushes my money back up above the starting point, I needed an indicator to tell me when to drop my bets before the losing streak started. Getting my bankroll back - and usually more on top - was the only thing I could think of. I got my money back so drop my bets now! Otherwise things will go out of my favor with my bets high and I will be SOL.

All I can say is test. Just sit down to a computer game and follow my instructions exactly. When you see that you get your money back you will understand. And then you will understand that it works everytime without fail.

I will discuss another aspect later. I want you all to get a grasp on this basic stuff first.

Licentia.

Canceler said:

fwb- If you keep asking questions like that, they're gonna revoke your Voodoo Forum permit! :joker:

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His questions have been answered.

Brock Windsor said:

Looks similar to "Oscars Grind". Except you are only increasing your bet after a BJ where Oscars Grind would increase after a win. Relies on betting more in positive streaks to keep you afloat. I would guess the Oscars Grind system would average a greater number of hands before bankroll ruin but can't sim it. Your post reads like an email a lawyer keeps sending me about an assassinated African dictator, we're going to split the profits of his fortune after I set him up with my banking info.
BW

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I am not familiar with "Oscar's Grind." Indeed if I did not track my starting bankroll it would be a progression system identical to this "Grind" you speak of. The problem with the Grind is that it does not have an External Indicator. I have an External Indicator. Once I have recouped my losses my bet drops to base, so that when the losing streak begins, my bets are low.

If I only increased and decreased on BJs or wins, my bets would always be high going in to a losing streak and low going in to a win streak. This will always work out to the house edge! Instead my bets are always low going in to a losing streak because they always drop to base before the losing streak begins and after I have recouped my losses and some wins on top.

Licentia.

A streak doesn't exist, or at least isn't predictable until after it's occured. That is mathematical fact in relation to the games that you've discussed.

RJT.

aslan said:

My gut is, if you go down for double and win, and your bankroll has been increased over what you started with, it's time to wong out for a hamburger and fries. I can't on the surface see any merit whatsoever to this gobballygook system. I appreciate fwb's attempt to put it into a logical context. If Licentia cannot explain the cause and effect of his/her own system, I suggest she/he is most probably a shill for the forum used to drum up a little interest to keep the board from falling into the doldrums. Good job, Ken! Or maybe he/she just likes to stir up the pot for self serving reasons known only to her/himself. Whatever, I have never been a proponent of trial and error systems, unless of course you mean a few million trials and errors by simulation. Can anyone simulate Licentia's new system? At least she/he had the foresight to put this thread in the Voodoo section.

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aslan said:

My gut is, if you go down for double and win, and your bankroll has been increased over what you started with, it's time to wong out for a hamburger and fries.

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No, it is time to start the process over with your bets at base. But before you start the process again, a hamburger and fries sounds nice.

I did test the system over 10s of millions of hands using QuickBasic for my Roulette version of the system. It never failed.

When the dealer is hot, my bets are pushed down, because the dealer gets more BJs when he is hot then when he is not.
When I am hot the frequency of me getting BJs increases. My bet increases also.
Therefore during the dealer hot streak my bets are low to limit my losses. When I am hot my bets increase which maximizes my winnings. I win more during my win streak than I lose during my loss streak. Once I recoup my losses - usually with profit on top - I drop my bet, otherwise my hot streak will end with my bets high. Then I enter the next losing streak with my bets at base!

Think of card counting one on one with the Dealer. How often is the count positive and you up your bet and the Dealer get's the BJs and not you? It is all about hot streaks. How often do you lose good hands and Double Downs to the Dealer when he is hot? Your 20 is beaten with a 21. Your 21 is beaten with a Dealer BJ, etc.. The Dealer turns 6s into 20's and beats your 19. Or think of the times you stand on a 13 and the Dealer busts. You get an 18 and the Dealer gets a 17. Hot and Cold streaks is what it is all about.

I put this in the Voodoo section because of unbelief. People prefer to dismiss rather than investigate. People automatically say that there is no God. On what basis? Because you can't see God? Have you made an effort to seek after God? If not then how can you speak with any authority? People hear that there is no way to beat the casino except at Card Counting. I read it all the time. People with BlackJack websites say repeatedly: "The only way to beat the casino at BlackJack is to count cards." Then they mock when someone presents a strategy to them rather than take the time to investigate for themselves.

What has always been my driving motivation is everyone saying it can't be done. The more I hear people mock the more it burns within me to find a way of beating the casinos. And beat them I have!

Licentia.

RJT said:

A streak doesn't exist, or at least isn't predictable until after it's occured. That is mathematical fact in relation to the games that you've discussed.

RJT.

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It isn't predictable at all, I agree. Thankfully I don't have to predict anything, because the strategy makes the predictions for me. It pushes my bet down when losing and up when winning. Simple.

Here's how to test it for yourself: Go to http://www.blackjackinfo.com , click on "Strategy Trainer" on the top left of your screen and follow my instructions. It won't take that long and you will learn as you go. Well... occasionally the Dealer will have a whopper of a win streak and your bet will go up and down and up and down and it will take awhile. But you will eventually win back every penny of your money. It never fails!

Track your starting bankroll which is... $1000.00. You will drop below $1000 and if you follow my instructions exactly you will then go up back up to $1000 or more likely above $1000. Then you drop your bet to base and repeat. Rinse Repeat. That's what it is all about. Each time you complete the process you will add to your profit.

Go ye forth and conquer!

Licentia.

Licentia said:

Why don't you try the strategy before you knock it and mock me?

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The difference between you and me is I make sure the system works BEFORE throwing my hard-earned money into it. Have you run any simulations or do you have any mathematics to back this up?

TheProdigy said:

The difference between you and me is I make sure the system works BEFORE throwing my hard-earned money into it. Have you run any simulations or do you have any mathematics to back this up?

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Find me a simulation that works with my strategy. I tried downloading some free ones and trial versions but they do not work with mine. They are all designed for progression systems. They are not designed to work the way my strategy does.

And as I said once before, I did test this strategy for weeks, sometimes 12-14 hours a day in front of my computer until my elbow and wrist ached, pumping Motrin for the pain. There was no way I was quiting my job until I knew with certainty that it worked. I was using 2 different Casino games for testing, one was Hoyle and the other I since threw away because it was old; Super Casino or something. I set the speed for maximum, didn't allow any AI players at the table, etc.. The hands were fast. I did it for hours and I never failed to recoup my money.

Also like I said I tested it over 10s of Millions of Roulette spins in the Roulette version and it never failed to recoup losses. The only problem was that the bets increased too high. In BlackJack I never allowed my bets to increase beyond 10x my base bet and it only wanted to go higher a few times. I always got my money back!

Now open up a BlackJack game and try it. I am not telling you to go to the casino to play. Just test it now as I have instructed. You will always recoup your losses. It will take 20 - 60 minutes of your time and you will see that you get your money back. You can then take my word that it always works or continue testing longer and see for yourself.

Licentia.

I would recommend for no one to go to the casino until I tell you more. A complexity arises when you have to leave the casino down money. If you always leave the table once you get your money back you have no problem. But if you have to leave before you win your bankroll back, then the next day you have to recoup your losses at a different table, or the same table a day later. This gets a little complex but I made some rules to deal with this. I could use a lot of input on these however.

You also need a very good bankroll. I would say 500 times your base bet to be safe. So $2500 for $5 base bet should be enough. Unfortunately I have no software to test these things. I just went by trial and error myself because I didn't have an instruction manual to follow.

Anyway, I don't want to get into this aspect yet. Just worry about the basics for now. Just test the strategy on a computer BlackJack game or sim now!

Licentia.