6:5 Blackjack is awesome!!

[Jack_Black]

Put it this way. You would need a +4 TC before you even had the advantage.

Aha! So this could be something, as little experience as I have seen with SD games, the TC is usually either super low or super high. +/- 10 area. So your'e suggesting making the bet ramp higher towards the end, and low in the middle? 1-15 or so? I don't even think this huge spread would be a problem with the pit as they would assume counters are going to stay far away from this game as possible.

 

[iCountNTrack]

I would appreciate it if I could hear more constructive criticisms and responses that showed logical reasoning instead of huffy, crossed arms, nose up opinions on this matter. Responses showing equations as to why 6:5 is no good or that it can be beaten with modification are desired here. Thank you.

Did you read Ken's response and mine, we showed you with very simple math why you should avoid playing 6:5 games, you are giving away 1.4% of your ev. This game is so horrible it is twice as bad as a H17 8D game.

With a decent penetration and bet spread, the game is beatable but that is a whole other story...

 

[Jack_Black]

Did you read Ken's response and mine, we showed you with very simple math why you should avoid playing 6:5 games, you are giving away 1.4% of your ev. This game is so horrible it is twice as bad as a H17 8D game.

With a decent penetration and bet spread, the game is beatable but that is a whole other story...

Yes I did, yours and Ken are the types of responses I'm looking for. I was referring to other responses that I quoted that sounded very huffy and refusing to think outside the box. In this business, as in any business, you gotta stay ahead of the pack by doing something different than the masses. I'd like to get to James Grosjean's level. He likes going to "unbeatable" games as defined by APs and the casino and finding ways to beat them.

 

[daddybo]

Aside from the math aspect of 6:5... I 'll be willing to wager you won't be able to last longer than a candle in the wind with a spread like your talking about in any single deck game.... unless your losing your derriere.


P.S.
PM me the store name if you can spread like that and get away with it. :laugh:

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I would appreciate it if I could hear more constructive criticisms and responses that showed logical reasoning instead of huffy, crossed arms, nose up opinions on this matter. Responses showing equations as to why 6:5 is no good or that it can be beaten with modification are desired here. Thank you.

OK here's your math. You have a standard, 3:2 SD game with decent rules, and the house edge is 0.18%. That means you lose 18 cents per $100 bet, right?

So you walk into a small casino and start betting $100 chips. Let's say you play for 2 hours, and play 200 hands in that time. They will comp you a room if they have one, a steak dinner, and unlimited drinks at the table. It cost you an expected $36 in losses for all this. Good deal, no?

Now in this game 1 out of 21 hands were naturals, so you can expect an average of 9.52 naturals over your session at the table. But instead of being paid $150 each time, you got paid $120 each time. Your room, steak and drinks now cost you $321. Still want to play? Go right ahead, then.

If you are counting, 6:5 can be beaten with a very large spread and ideal conditions. But it's a specialty game, like SP21 or BJ Switch, and cannot be played as simply an alternative to another blackjack game. But it sounds like you've made up your mind you want to play it, so go ahead, what do you want me to do?

 

[Jack_Black]

Aside from the math aspect of 6:5... I 'll be willing to wager you won't be able to last longer than a candle in the wind with a spread like your talking about in any single deck game.... unless your losing your derriere.


P.S.
PM me the store name if you can spread like that and get away with it. :laugh:

I find that my act, being a loud and emotional gambler, let's me get away with a large spread. I also tip every time I make a huge bet and win. flirting with female dealers goes a very long way too. Male dealers too if that's your pie, not mine personally.

I have found that when I'm nice to the dealer, I can get away with a lot. I've had dealers suspect me of counting, but since I was tipping, they would give me advice on how to play the hand. During a high TC, one guy told me to take the insurance play as he winked at me!

I'll take that wager that I can last longer than a candle in the wind anyday. Make your terms!!!

 

[Cardcounter]

It seems to me that 6:5 is not all as bad as APs make them out to be. Yes, I understand why not being able to hit split aces is disadvantageous for the player. It should be obvious really. Most rules and variations make sense as to why they can help or hurt you. But 6:5? You are still getting paid, plus 20% more. Unlike a rule such as "dealer wins all pushes." Or even a typical rule, like the "No hitting split aces" How and who came up with the calculation that 6:5 blackjack gives the house a 1%+ edge? It's not taking away money, or allowing you not to win. Granted you win a lessor amount, but it is not a loss, nor keeping you from making a win. Someone please explain this to me. I am a noob, I don't have deep understandings behind esoteric mathematical branches or theories.

That is just it is taking away money if you bet a $100 and get a blackjack at a 6:5 table you win $120 at a 3:2 table you win $150 in affect you are paying the house $30 by playing 6:5 and not 3:2.

 

[ExhibitCAA]

"It's not taking away money, or allowing you not to win. Granted you win a lessor amount, but it is not a loss, nor keeping you from making a win."

Yes, it is taking away money. "GRANTED you win a lesser amount." Exactly. A lot lesser amount. Imagine your average bet is $20. You get shorted $6 on every untied BJ.

"I went to Binions, they kicked me out so fast, like they're all trained to seek counters and give em the boot at the first sign. I tripled my bet at a 2 deck with 2 different dealers."

You played 2-deck? Really?

"One guy lied to me and told me there was a table there with better rules that I should be playing on. I walked to the area where he said it would be and there was nothing there."

You probably got lost.

"The other lady told me it was a house rule that there is no bet tripling."

I find this hard to believe. Was the lady from Pechanga? For smaller stakes, a tripling of the bet barely raise an eyebrow. They certainly wouldn't sweat it, unless you picked the worst possible pit crew, or had the worst possible act, but that title is already claimed.

"She even asked the pit boss to prove it to me, and instead of answering the question, he just told her to shuffle the deck."

This I can believe.

"I find that my act, being a loud and emotional gambler, let's me get away with a large spread."

Your act and loudness has nothing to do with it. You get away with a large spread because you are an unknown player. In places where I am unknown, I, too, can get away with murder, regardless of act.

"I also tip every time I make a huge bet and win."

You are tipping too much.

"flirting with female dealers goes a very long way too. Male dealers too if that's your pie, not mine personally."

At Binion's, you could have flirted with handlebar Peter, but alas, he appears to be gone. Flirting with dealers is of limited value. Their powers are limited. The greatest service they can provide is keeping their mouths shut about what they see. When you see a dealer get tapped out and go straight to the break room without speaking to any boss, that's the best possible dealer. The best reason to flirt with a dealer would be, um, nonpecuniary.

"I have found that when I'm nice to the dealer, I can get away with a lot."

If you are unknown, you can get away with a lot. If you aren't betting too big, you can get away with a lot.

"I've had dealers suspect me of counting, but since I was tipping, they would give me advice on how to play the hand."

Advice from dealers is worth less than worthless.

"During a high TC, one guy told me to take the insurance play as he winked at me!"

He wasn't giving you good BJ advice; he was flirting with you.

Grosjean [using his best Karl Malone imitation] would not advise you to play 6:5, except that the game's low speed might help you lose slower. Grosjean likes to check games that are CONSIDERED to be sucker games, but are in fact massively vulnerable with the right methods. Counting 6:5 is NOT the unturned stone. 6:5 is NOT massively vulnerable to counting.

There are two problems for the counter: the player's initial disadvantage to overcome is greater, and the edge does not respond as quickly to increases in the count. In geometry terms, if we plot expectation on the Y-axis as a function of the count on the X-axis, we will see that the line has been shifted downward, AND has been flattened.

(johndoe, I saved a keyboard, because I saw where this thread was going, so by the time I got to the mention of my name in the same breath as this debate, I had already put Saran wrap over the keyboard.)

 

[N&B]

Theory: Thou is a phisher of arguement

Branch: IF I sez X, THEN u sez -|X|
IF X = -|X| THEN GOTO Y

So much for theories and branches.

 

[Jack_Black]

Well, I would say thank you for advice. Thank you for logical answers on the mathematical aspect of the game. But you can keep your opinions about everything else. This is a business, and you can run your business your way, and I'll run it my way.

Yes, it is taking away money. "GRANTED you win a lesser amount." Exactly. A lot lesser amount. Imagine your average bet is $20. You get shorted $6 on every untied BJ.

Good, I just wanted to make clear that it is not putting me in the red. That was the whole purpose of this thread really. I wanted to know if it puts you in the red, or if it just keeps you from maximizing your profits.

You played 2-deck? Really?

Yes really, all the SD tables were full

You probably got lost.

Wow, you're really funny. you shoulda been a comedian! I went back to him to confront him on his lie. He had nothing to say.

I find this hard to believe. Was the lady from Pechanga? For smaller stakes, a tripling of the bet barely raise an eyebrow. They certainly wouldn't sweat it, unless you picked the worst possible pit crew, or had the worst possible act, but that title is already claimed.

Believe it. I was playing green chips and a $75 bet made her lose her s#@$.

Your act and loudness has nothing to do with it. You get away with a large spread because you are an unknown player. In places where I am unknown, I, too, can get away with murder, regardless of act.

Wait, didn't you just say that me having the worst act probably clued her in to me being a counter? So now, my act has nothing to do with me getting away with a large spread? Which is it? You're just changing your opinion when you see fit to support your argument.

You are tipping too much.

Again, you can run your business the way you want to, and what's a red chip tip when I win a $300 bet? $5 to keep her mouth shut about a 1-20 spread is cheap. I got this advice reading Lance Humble's "Worlds greatest blackjack book" You should read it sometime.

At Binion's, you could have flirted with handlebar Peter, but alas, he appears to be gone. Flirting with dealers is of limited value. Their powers are limited. The greatest service they can provide is keeping their mouths shut about what they see. When you see a dealer get tapped out and go straight to the break room without speaking to any boss, that's the best possible dealer. The best reason to flirt with a dealer would be, um, nonpecuniary.

So you agree with my point that you have to get on the dealer's good side so that they don't tell the pit boss about you. Which, by the way, the Pit bosses are another group of people you gotta work over. lady pit bosses like being flirted with last time I checked. There is a book by Ian Anderson called "burning the tables in Blackjack" foreword by Stanford Wong. Not a good writer, but he goes at great lengths to talk about how important it is to be personable to casino personnel if you want to have longevity there. As a matter of fact, there is a casino that I go to that has a regular player that just screams counter. Wears dark sunglasses and a hat, chats with me about the finer mathematical points of the Basic strategy chart, varies his bets the same time I do, except he's a complete jerk to the pit bosses and the dealers. Who do you think is gonna last longer there, me or him?

Advice from dealers is worth less than worthless.

Again, you can keep your opinions, but I do respect your logical answers. You can't tell me there aren't even a few dealers out there that count cards? Every dealer I know has basic strategy memorized. This is their full time job, I know they've seen every act in the book, every cover play, every spread, and every level of counter out there. Granted there are dumb dealers, but there are quite a few you have to listen to. They're smarter than you think.

(Dead link: http://www.worldgameprotection.com/r...ting-flyer.pdf)

He wasn't giving you good BJ advice; he was flirting with you.

Comedic genius, really.

Grosjean [using his best Karl Malone imitation] would not advise you to play 6:5, except that the game's low speed might help you lose slower. Grosjean likes to check games that are CONSIDERED to be sucker games, but are in fact massively vulnerable with the right methods. Counting 6:5 is NOT the unturned stone. 6:5 is NOT massively vulnerable to counting.

There are two problems for the counter: the player's initial disadvantage to overcome is greater, and the edge does not respond as quickly to increases in the count. In geometry terms, if we plot expectation on the Y-axis as a function of the count on the X-axis, we will see that the line has been shifted downward, AND has been flattened.

So hear is where I will start to listen. But I did run 6:5 SD through CVData simulator and for sure the win rate is low. $18 playing hi opt. BUT that is about the same win rate as playing 6 deck with favorable conditions. So for now, if I had to choose playing a shoe or a bad SD game, the win rate/hr would be about the same. If you would like to disagree with me on this matter, I'd love to hear it. I think this 6:5 is a sour point for APs because it cuts profits. You know what else cuts profits? Adding decks. When Ed thorp wrote "beat the dealer" Casinos scrambled to figure out how to put the edge back in their favor. They came up with adding decks. So counters responded by coming up with the hi lo count. Now casinos are coming up with 6:5 payout. My point is, this is a war, a business war. You gotta always stay ahead and come up with counter measures to survive. Someone builds a better mousetrap, we build a tougher mouse. Nothing good has ever come from people always accepting the status quo. Progression always comes from thinking differently. As I am trying, and with that, there will be the naysayers and the old timey folks who don't want to listen or be offended at the very thought of a new idea. I'm too new to this counting business to come up with brilliant remedies, but I wanted to get the ball rolling and get more minds involved on this problem. If I made enemies, so be it. So did Galileo, Aristotle, Einstein, and all the other great thinkers that progressed us forward.

 

[QFIT]

A few things:

1. 6:5 BJ vastly damages your game. No comparison to numbers of decks. It isn't even Blackjack IMO. See www.qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage200.htm.
2. You really are over-tipping. $5 is over 1% of $300. What's your EV?
3. Dealers really have nothing of value to tell you. If a dealer has been dealing for 20 years he may have seen everything. But, he's still a dealer for some reason.

 

[blackjackstudent]

Jack Black,

Can i please ask you a question? If you had a chance to choose between 3:2 single deck BJ and 6:5 single deck BJ, which one would you choose?

Yes most US casinos will use 6:5 BJ if they offer single deck but a couple of casinos still use 3:2 BJ (esp. Barona Indian Casino).

When you play 6:5 BJ what kind of spread do you use? (A 1 - 20 spread for example) and has there been times where youve noticed a heat being employed by the pitbosses at you or anyone else?

For all you experts, can 6:5 BJ be beaten by using a 1-50 spread at all without heat?

 

[daddybo]

For all you experts, can 6:5 BJ be beaten by using a 1-50 spread at all without heat?

NOT an expert, but Yes, for about two shuffles..tap..tap.

 

[bjcounter]

Well, I would say thank you for advice. Thank you for logical answers on the mathematical aspect of the game. But you can keep your opinions about everything else. This is a business, and you can run your business your way, and I'll run it my way.

Yes, it is taking away money. "GRANTED you win a lesser amount." Exactly. A lot lesser amount. Imagine your average bet is $20. You get shorted $6 on every untied BJ.

Good, I just wanted to make clear that it is not putting me in the red. That was the whole purpose of this thread really. I wanted to know if it puts you in the red, or if it just keeps you from maximizing your profits.

You played 2-deck? Really?

Yes really, all the SD tables were full

You probably got lost.

Wow, you're really funny. you shoulda been a comedian! I went back to him to confront him on his lie. He had nothing to say.

I find this hard to believe. Was the lady from Pechanga? For smaller stakes, a tripling of the bet barely raise an eyebrow. They certainly wouldn't sweat it, unless you picked the worst possible pit crew, or had the worst possible act, but that title is already claimed.

Believe it. I was playing green chips and a $75 bet made her lose her s#@$.

Your act and loudness has nothing to do with it. You get away with a large spread because you are an unknown player. In places where I am unknown, I, too, can get away with murder, regardless of act.

Wait, didn't you just say that me having the worst act probably clued her in to me being a counter? So now, my act has nothing to do with me getting away with a large spread? Which is it? You're just changing your opinion when you see fit to support your argument.

You are tipping too much.

Again, you can run your business the way you want to, and what's a red chip tip when I win a $300 bet? $5 to keep her mouth shut about a 1-20 spread is cheap. I got this advice reading Lance Humble's "Worlds greatest blackjack book" You should read it sometime.

At Binion's, you could have flirted with handlebar Peter, but alas, he appears to be gone. Flirting with dealers is of limited value. Their powers are limited. The greatest service they can provide is keeping their mouths shut about what they see. When you see a dealer get tapped out and go straight to the break room without speaking to any boss, that's the best possible dealer. The best reason to flirt with a dealer would be, um, nonpecuniary.

So you agree with my point that you have to get on the dealer's good side so that they don't tell the pit boss about you. Which, by the way, the Pit bosses are another group of people you gotta work over. lady pit bosses like being flirted with last time I checked. There is a book by Ian Anderson called "burning the tables in Blackjack" foreword by Stanford Wong. Not a good writer, but he goes at great lengths to talk about how important it is to be personable to casino personnel if you want to have longevity there. As a matter of fact, there is a casino that I go to that has a regular player that just screams counter. Wears dark sunglasses and a hat, chats with me about the finer mathematical points of the Basic strategy chart, varies his bets the same time I do, except he's a complete jerk to the pit bosses and the dealers. Who do you think is gonna last longer there, me or him?

Advice from dealers is worth less than worthless.

Again, you can keep your opinions, but I do respect your logical answers. You can't tell me there aren't even a few dealers out there that count cards? Every dealer I know has basic strategy memorized. This is their full time job, I know they've seen every act in the book, every cover play, every spread, and every level of counter out there. Granted there are dumb dealers, but there are quite a few you have to listen to. They're smarter than you think.

(Dead link: http://www.worldgameprotection.com/r...ting-flyer.pdf)

He wasn't giving you good BJ advice; he was flirting with you.

Comedic genius, really.

Grosjean [using his best Karl Malone imitation] would not advise you to play 6:5, except that the game's low speed might help you lose slower. Grosjean likes to check games that are CONSIDERED to be sucker games, but are in fact massively vulnerable with the right methods. Counting 6:5 is NOT the unturned stone. 6:5 is NOT massively vulnerable to counting.

There are two problems for the counter: the player's initial disadvantage to overcome is greater, and the edge does not respond as quickly to increases in the count. In geometry terms, if we plot expectation on the Y-axis as a function of the count on the X-axis, we will see that the line has been shifted downward, AND has been flattened.

So hear is where I will start to listen. But I did run 6:5 SD through CVData simulator and for sure the win rate is low. $18 playing hi opt. BUT that is about the same win rate as playing 6 deck with favorable conditions. So for now, if I had to choose playing a shoe or a bad SD game, the win rate/hr would be about the same. If you would like to disagree with me on this matter, I'd love to hear it. I think this 6:5 is a sour point for APs because it cuts profits. You know what else cuts profits? Adding decks. When Ed thorp wrote "beat the dealer" Casinos scrambled to figure out how to put the edge back in their favor. They came up with adding decks. So counters responded by coming up with the hi lo count. Now casinos are coming up with 6:5 payout. My point is, this is a war, a business war. You gotta always stay ahead and come up with counter measures to survive. Someone builds a better mousetrap, we build a tougher mouse. Nothing good has ever come from people always accepting the status quo. Progression always comes from thinking differently. As I am trying, and with that, there will be the naysayers and the old timey folks who don't want to listen or be offended at the very thought of a new idea. I'm too new to this counting business to come up with brilliant remedies, but I wanted to get the ball rolling and get more minds involved on this problem. If I made enemies, so be it. So did Galileo, Aristotle, Einstein, and all the other great thinkers that progressed us forward.

JSTAT, is that you, your nephew, your nephew's nephew, or is it OBama the antichrist?:laugh::laugh::whip:

 

[Sonny]

I'd like to get to James Grosjean's level. He likes going to "unbeatable" games as defined by APs and the casino and finding ways to beat them.

You will approach his level much faster if you stop arguing with him and listen to his advice.

Again, you can run your business the way you want to, and what's a red chip tip when I win a $300 bet?

Well, if you tip $5 after winning a big bet you will give up about $12.50 per hour. With an EV of only $18 per hour you are giving up almost all of your profit. You are tipping 1.6% of your bet when your advantage isn’t much more than that. If the 6:5 payout didn’t kill your profit, the tipping probably will. Are you really happy spreading $25-$300 for a measly $5.50 per hour? That’s a huge risk for arguably no reward.

I got this advice reading Lance Humble's "Worlds greatest blackjack book" You should read it sometime.

I suspect that CAA already has read that book, probably about 30 years ago. That book is good but very dated, as are the others you cite. It would be wise to take advice from more contemporary sources.

Which, by the way, the Pit bosses are another group of people you gotta work over.

I seem to remember a chapter or two about that in ExhibitCAA. I don't think it needs to be explaned to him.

Every dealer I know has basic strategy memorized.

I know you don’t want to hear any more opinions, but my experience has been very different than yours. I have never met a dealer who knew proper basic strategy at any casino game. I’ve heard many other players confirm this experience. The dealers are only trained to deal the game, and often not very well at that. I've seen gamblers who have been playing for 20 years and don't know a single thing about the game. Dealers are the same way. Most of what they learn while dealing is the usual bad advice they hear from the degenerate players. I don't think I've ever received good advice from a dealer.

So hear is where I will start to listen. But I did run 6:5 SD through CVData simulator and for sure the win rate is low. $18 playing hi opt. BUT that is about the same win rate as playing 6 deck with favorable conditions.

But how does the variance compare? The win rate alone really doesn’t tell you anything about the game. If the 6:5 game requires a $100k bankroll to win $18/hour and the 6D game only requires a $10k bankroll for the same win rate and same RoR, which would you consider the better game? Couldn't you find a much better use for that $100k?

My point is, this is a war, a business war. You gotta always stay ahead and come up with counter measures to survive.

That’s true, but you also have to know which battles to fight. Card counting against 6:5 BJ is a losing battle. Either find a better weapon or a better game. You have plenty of choices for both.

-Sonny-

 

[Automatic Monkey]

...I have never met a dealer who knew proper basic strategy at any casino game. I’ve heard many other players confirm this experience. The dealers are only trained to deal the game, and often not very well at that. I've seen gamblers who have been playing for 20 years and don't know a single thing about the game. Dealers are the same way. Most of what they learn while dealing is the usual bad advice they hear from the degenerate players. I don't think I've ever received good advice from a dealer....

Dealers who know what they are doing exist, mostly up in single-deck land. There are a few who not only know what they are doing, but count as they are dealing, just like you or I would. A few of those even preferentially shuffle. :flame:

But usually you don't want to take their advice. Best advice I ever got from a dealer was from one up at Boomtown (R.I.P.) who told me "It would be a good idea for you to cash out and get out of here as quickly as possible" after I trashed them for 100 units spreading 1-4.

 

[creeping panther]

Jack

It seems to me that 6:5 is not all as bad as APs make them out to be. Yes, I understand why not being able to hit split aces is disadvantageous for the player. It should be obvious really. Most rules and variations make sense as to why they can help or hurt you. But 6:5? You are still getting paid, plus 20% more. Unlike a rule such as "dealer wins all pushes." Or even a typical rule, like the "No hitting split aces" How and who came up with the calculation that 6:5 blackjack gives the house a 1%+ edge? It's not taking away money, or allowing you not to win. Granted you win a lessor amount, but it is not a loss, nor keeping you from making a win. Someone please explain this to me. I am a noob, I don't have deep understandings behind esoteric mathematical branches or theories.

Jack,

Let me see------6.5 pay on your BJ and when the dealer get a BJ ,and you don't, do you STILL lose your whole bet????

Or... do they only take a *portion* of it? :grin::laugh:

CP

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

I don't have anything to add, I'm just interested in Jack Black's reaction when he realizes the irony of his Grosjean-level aspirations as he argues with Exhibit CAA. There is truly some sort of post-modern humor here. I don't mean that in an insulting way, but it's worth a chuckle.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Personally, I think Jack Black is just a brilliant troll.

 

[ExhibitCAA]

"This is a business, and you can run your business your way, and I'll run it my way."

Yes, it is a business. I am a professional, full-time player. Are you?

"Good, I just wanted to make clear that it is not putting me in the red. That was the whole purpose of this thread really. I wanted to know if it puts you in the red, or if it just keeps you from maximizing your profits."

If it keeps you from maximizing your profits, by dragging a game down to the -2.0% level, then yes, it is putting you in the red.

I asked: "You played 2-deck? Really?" You replied: "Yes really, all the SD tables were full."

I'll address this in another thread.

"Wait, didn't you just say that me having the worst act probably clued her in to me being a counter? So now, my act has nothing to do with me getting away with a large spread? Which is it? You're just changing your opinion when you see fit to support your argument."

Being an unknown would allow you to get away with murder, with the only thing to stop you being a casino comportment so pathetic that you come to the attention of the clueless pit people.

I said: "You are tipping too much." You say: "Again, you can run your business the way you want to, and what's a red chip tip when I win a $300 bet? $5 to keep her mouth shut about a 1-20 spread is cheap."

It's cheap, but why not play a clueless dealer who keeps her mouth shut on a 1-20 spread without the $5?

"I got this advice reading Lance Humble's "Worlds greatest blackjack book" You should read it sometime."

I have read Humble's book, and I don't care what advice you got from Humble's book. I think his book is inappropriately titled.

"So you agree with my point that you have to get on the dealer's good side so that they don't tell the pit boss about you."

No, I don't quite agree. The best is to play with a dealer who is apathetic, so that it takes no effort on your part to "get in good with the dealer." A true snitch cannot be won over, and an apathetic dealer does not need to be won over.

"Which, by the way, the Pit bosses are another group of people you gotta work over. lady pit bosses like being flirted with last time I checked."

Actually, I have found that lady shift bosses are often the worst of the lot, as they must be pretty mean to have advanced so far in a man's world, and they often have a chip on their shoulder. But I will keep in mind the need to work over the pit bosses.

"he's a complete jerk to the pit bosses and the dealers. Who do you think is gonna last longer there, me or him?"

Thanks for the tips on longevity.

"You can't tell me there aren't even a few dealers out there that count cards? Every dealer I know has basic strategy memorized."

This is the most laughable statement ever. I have played THOUSANDS of dealers. Other than an Asian male named "John" at Mandalay, I cannot be sure that there is even ONE who knows perfect BS. There may be, but your statement is ludicrous, and anyone who plays even ten hours per year would immediately see it as such.

"http://www.worldgameprotection.com/r...ting-flyer.pdf"

The newsletters from the WGP group have some hilarious material on occasion. I thank the stars every time I read one that our opponents are so far behind us.

"I think this 6:5 is a sour point for APs because it cuts profits. You know what else cuts profits? Adding decks."

I wasn't aware that adding decks hurts profits. I'll look into that. But hey, I'm not complaining about 6:5. I love it, believe me. But there is no dangerous counter on this planet targeting 6:5 games, and it's not because they haven't done their homework.