I was wondering if anyone had heard of a player getting backed off playing a 6/5 SD game. I have done a little research and the game I would be playing if I could get a nice advantage with a 1-8 spread. Would the casinos eventually start to pay attention to me? Or would I be able to get away with this spread for a long time. I figure I could get better comps from playing this game also.
6/5 SD Blackjack
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Sonny
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It will depend on your playing style. Are you planning on counting the game with a 1-8 spread? If so, the pit will probably give you heat even though you probably don’t have an advantage. But if you plan on playing for moderate stakes and can avoid bringing attention to yourself (or you plan on using an alternative technique) then you can probably get away with it for a long time.avs21 said:
You’re probably right.avs21 said:
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I would be playing for lower stakes. I was hoping if the pit found out I was counting they would think with that spread I didn't have an advantage. They would just think I was just another wannabe counter who read one book and now thinks they are a pro. With the 1-8 spread assuming at least 60% pen I would have .91 +. 50% pen I would have a little adv, but it would not be worth my time.
I am still working on those alternative techniques they have a much higher learning curve than just straight up counting
Thank you for the info
I am still working on those alternative techniques they have a much higher learning curve than just straight up counting
Thank you for the info
Sonny
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Never assume that a pit boss knows how to beat the games he is supposed to be protecting. It’s sad but true. Most pit bosses probably don’t know what kind of spread it takes to beat 6:5 games. They don’t study the game and run the sims the way we do. If they see a guy spreading his bets with the count at a SD game they will get suspicious. They are trained to get rid of card counters whether they are playing with an advantage or not. Only the well-educated pit bosses know how to distinguish a wannabe counter from a real threat.avs21 said:
If you can stay under the radar then you should be able to get away with it, but that usually means not getting rated for comps.
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I guess I will have to play without a card. At least when I refuse to get a card I will not be hassled, because the games are nickel tables.Sonny said:If you can stay under the radar then you should be able to get away with it, but that usually means not getting rated for comps.
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Cardcounter
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Well educated pitbosses
If you are just counting cards and not cheating on a 6 to 5 game a well educated pit boss will not kick you out with a 1-8 spread. Because you even if you play perfectly and bet perfectly will be expected to lose. The 6 to 5 game is so bad that most card counters will stay far away from it. The few cardcounters who had an advantage when playing a 3 to 2 payout for blackjack will be playing with a disadvantage in this game. However uneducated pitbosses will kick you out if you spread big and happen to be winning. I wish their was software that could tell you your advantage or disadvantage.
If you are just counting cards and not cheating on a 6 to 5 game a well educated pit boss will not kick you out with a 1-8 spread. Because you even if you play perfectly and bet perfectly will be expected to lose. The 6 to 5 game is so bad that most card counters will stay far away from it. The few cardcounters who had an advantage when playing a 3 to 2 payout for blackjack will be playing with a disadvantage in this game. However uneducated pitbosses will kick you out if you spread big and happen to be winning. I wish their was software that could tell you your advantage or disadvantage.
zengrifter
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If its a handheld game, ALWAYS look for dealers who flash. AND unless you are agresively exiting bad counts you will need more like 1-20 spread. zgavs21 said:
And they'd probably be right is my guess - it just seems with 6-5 costing an add'l 1.4%, that it would be pretty tough to overcome.avs21 said:
I imagine there are a lot better uses of ur bankroll out there.
But if u know u have the advantage, because maybe u simmed it, I guess go for it!
The game has better rules than the usual 6:5 SD games. If it had a payout of 3/2 the BS player would have an advantage. That is why I have a much smaller spread than the 1-20. I agree with you the usual 6:5 game would probably call for a spread around that size. I was going to try to exit bad counts often also.zengrifter said:
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So, exactly, what are the (better) rules? - maybe a player BJ always wins?avs21 said:
Now we're down to 1.2%.
If so, even so, a really, really crappy game. Better to attack a 6 or 8D monster I'd think.
Just a guess on my part. But, if u know u know what ur doing, fine with me lol.
moo321
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You should do a sim on this, because you probably aren't getting a 1% edge with a 1-8 spread on a 60% pen game. IF they were dealing deeply AND you could spread aggresively, then maybe. But do a sim before you assume this game can be beaten. You need a 1-16 spread to get 1% at most 6 deck games.avs21 said:
Last sim was .95 I am still working out the optimal betting ramp because CVCX doesn't have the option for the 6/5 blackjack and I have never bothered with 6/5 before, so I'm still trying to figure out exactly when the count goes to players adv in this kind of game.Kasi said:
Pen: 61%
Zen count
1-8 spread
ROR is subject to change, because I have road trip coming up that I will log around 50-60 hours of blackjack before I play this game. The standard of deviation was high at 41.39.
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