A story of a body computer

[tensplitter]

I'll go further. Forget a one-pass R&R. If there is no shuffle or plugs at all. If the dealer takes the remaining cards in the shoe, puts them on top of the discards, and then places that stack, unmodified, in the shoe, I maintain a perfect BS player still can't beat the casinos with just 45 minutes of practice.

If that happens no one will count cards anymore or play BS. They'll just memorize the order of the cards and bet their entire bankroll when a win is certain and bet the minimum when a loss is certain. We'll see a lot of odd moves like standing on 6 or hitting on 19.

 

[RJT]

Well said Norm.
Mods are you kidding me - you're going to delete my posts calling this guy a fraud when he's going to make claims like that?

Actually Mods - that wasn't a rhetorical question. I find it fairly appalling that spam like this is left up while legitimate criticism is taken down. Whether or not you find the way in which critique was posted tasteful is beside the point - at least it was honest.

RJT.

 

[zengrifter]

Actually Mods - that wasn't a rhetorical question. I find it fairly appalling that spam like this is left up while legitimate criticism is taken down. Whether or not you find the way in which critique was posted tasteful is beside the point - at least it was honest.

What made it spam? Where was the line of demarcation?
This is Mesa Verde, a respected vendor to the BJ-AP business (I think?). zg

 

[RJT]

What made it spam? Where was the line of demarcation?
This is Mesa Verde, a respected vendor to the BJ-AP business (I think?). zg

Completely ridiculous claims of teaching customers to track successfully within 45min is what i'm contending. Each of the moderators here is knowledgeable enough to know that this claim is not even remotely realistic, yet will let it stand as an advertising claim where it can damage players who aren't experienced enough to know better simply because this entity has put out some good software in the past. Poor show in my eyes.

RJT.

 

[zengrifter]

Completely ridiculous claims of teaching customers to track successfully within 45min is what i'm contending. Each of the moderators here is knowledgeable enough to know that this claim is not even remotely realistic, yet will let it stand as an advertising claim where it can damage players who aren't experienced enough to know better simply because this entity has put out some good software in the past. Poor show in my eyes.

I think Dennis and Mesa Verde are willing and able to back up the claims.

Right Dennis? zg

 

[RJT]

I think Dennis and Mesa Verde are willing and able to back up the claims.

Right Dennis? zg

It's simply not a question here - they can't.
If they could there wouldn't be a casino left with a one pass shuffle world wide.
But if it would put rest to this and get this thread removed i'd even be prepard to take this course and report back. 45 min isn't a lot of time - i'm sure i can squeeze it in somewhere.

RJT.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Devil's Advocate: Perhaps the "45 minutes" claim is intended to give someone an idea of how long it will take for them to learn the fundamentals of shuffle tracking using their system. No one that's done tracking of any sort would portend that you could learn to profit from the information within an hour of learning it, but you could certainly learn the basic methodology in about that time. The part of ST that takes so much time to learn is not so much how it works—it's the ability to actually apply that knowledge.

For example, I could teach you "how to count cards" in less than 15 minutes, which also includes how to use playing indices, how to convert to a true count, betting strategy, and so on. You would not be able to do any of these things properly after the 15 minutes is up, but you would know how they work.

 

[RJT]

I guarantee I can teach you how to clump track an actual casino shuffle in use today in Las Vegas in less than 45 minutes

If that's what he's aiming at he's being very clumsy with language and needs to edit that post. Mis-representation of what he's actually offering.

RJT.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Agreed, but I can't imagine that the explanation is anything else, especially given that this is apparently a known character within the AP community. You can teach most things in 45 minutes, but that doesn't include absorption of the knowledge, understanding of the finer points, refined practice, and the ultimate ability to put it into use. However, I agree that the original post is very misleading if this is, in fact, what he's offering.

 

[RJT]

Agreed, but I can't imagine that the explanation is anything else, especially given that this is apparently a known character within the AP community. You can teach most things in 45 minutes, but that doesn't include absorption of the knowledge, understanding of the finer points, refined practice, and the ultimate ability to put it into use. However, I agree that the original post is very misleading if this is, in fact, what he's offering.

I see what your driving at, but i'll be honest and say that if that's what he's aiming at it should be taken down simply because Dennis is quite clearly trying to misrepresent what he's selling. There's no way round this - this guy's lying one way or the other.

RJT.

 

[Sonny]

It doesn't matter anymore. It looks like Dennis has been flamed away, like so many other knowledgeable/skillful members have been. Maybe he was just advertising his software or maybe he was actually willing to discuss blackjack. We'll probably never know. We should start a monument to all of the potentially valuable (and truly valuable) contributors we have lost in the flames.

-Sonny-

 

[RJT]

It doesn't matter anymore. It looks like Dennis has been flamed away, like so many other knowledgeable/skillful members have been. Maybe he was just advertising his software or maybe he was actually willing to discuss blackjack. We'll probably never know. We should start a monument to all of the potentially valuable (and truly valuable) contributors we have lost in the flames.

-Sonny-

That's funny - i've been complaining about that for a long time, with truly valuable posters who don't feel the need to make massively overblown claims about what they can do.

RJT.

 

[sagefr0g]

dumb schmuck?..... case of mistaken identity

seems this is one of those cases of 'if it's to good to be true, it might not be untrue' sorta thing instead of 'if it's to good to be true, it's not true', sorta thing.

it was my pleasure to experience this phenomenon first hand when i attended one of the bj bash's a while back.
i couldn't for the life of me understand how it was that the Stealthy Won had allowed this 'poor dumb schmuck' to attend the bash.
turned out dude was as real of the real deal as one can get, lol.
opened up a whole new lucrative range of AP stuff to those of us who cared to listen and learn.
and what's more it's relatively simple stuff (compared to some bj rocket science stuff), easy AP stuff to pull off, but maybe not so easy to discover in the first place, sorta thing.
the kind of simple sorta thing that you gotta do a double take and slap yourself in the face so as to wake yourself up to the fact that you really just saw what you saw, sorta thing, lol.

case in point, how many card counters of you guys out there have ever tried to talk to your non-gambling friends about blackjack and it's possibilities as far as making money? did they just pretty much look you over with that blank, disbelieving stare, sorta thing, lol.

or who would have ever dreamed after experiencing and learning about the nature of life and how the universe is from a scientific perspective that some where in this vast big ole universe there is these little speck of dust blackjack tables with people sitting around them gambling, lol.
just doesn't seem reasonable, does it? lol.

whatever, who'd of ever thought there really is such a thing as an 'almost' free lunch?
but there is!

 

[RJT]

Yeh and i can claim that i can get you an A as the first card every single 3rd hand. Sounds unbelivable. And that's because it is. Extraordinary claims would require extraordinary evidence and frankly this is another one of these instances where if you had actually devised a system that could allow you to shuffle track with that level of ease, you wouldn't be marketing it to other players.

RJT.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

It doesn't matter anymore. It looks like Dennis has been flamed away, like so many other knowledgeable/skillful members have been. Maybe he was just advertising his software or maybe he was actually willing to discuss blackjack. We'll probably never know. We should start a monument to all of the potentially valuable (and truly valuable) contributors we have lost in the flames.

-Sonny-

Yeah, it's a shame. There was a time where you could find a wealth of informative posts on here, but a lot of the posters that I would read most eagerly have taken off or rarely visit. That was also a time where you could learn a lot just hanging around in the chat. It's unfortunate, to say the least.

 

[zengrifter]

It doesn't matter anymore. It looks like Dennis has been flamed away, like so many other knowledgeable/skillful members have been. We should start a monument to all of the potentially valuable (and truly valuable) contributors we have lost in the flames.

Yes, the BJINFO AP memorial wall-of-flame. Excellent idea! zg

Lets fill in some blanks >>

Dennis ______
Mike ________
James ________
____________
___________

 

[zengrifter]

seems this is one of those cases of 'if it's to good to be true, it might not be untrue'

Thats our sage! zg