A system for baccarat
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SystemsTrader
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If your system is so good then why do you need to sell it to us neophytes? Why don't you just go and rape the casinos and keep it all for yourself?
I am trying to build my bankroll...all of the money that I have won has been on an online casino. I plan to make my first trip to the casino This week. I am taking a chance because my bankroll is not where I want it to be but this system seems very consistent. If I do well then I will have a very nice bankroll therefore I will have no reason to sell anymore. And I will also not be giving my system out.SystemsTrader said:
Katweezel
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That's a very innocuous and friendly handle you got there, jimryan17. Sort of like Lil Wayne or Honky Dory. And nice of you to help us out of our maze of intricate Baccarat schemes to get the bennys offa casinos. I had no idea it was so simple... There I was stuck on my dopey pattern-recognition and other equally-stupid systems. But Sonny has told us this game can be beaten, so I remain hopeful. And then you turn up. Some other dude is currently trying for 15 grand offa me for a failproof system. I hope yours is a little cheaper than that... and less complicated. Hope springs eternal in the mind of the crazed casino punter. I hope you read this before Sonny or someone spots your Troll link.jimryan17 said:
yea it is cheaper. I don't sell systems for a living. I am only selling it for about 110. I did not read the rules of this forum. I will delete my post. I am sorry for being inconsiderate.Katweezel said:That's a very innocuous and friendly handle you got there, jimryan17. Sort of like Lil Wayne or Honky Dory. And nice of you to help us out of our maze of intricate Baccarat schemes to get the bennys offa casinos. I had no idea it was so simple... There I was stuck on my dopey pattern-recognition and other equally-stupid systems. But Sonny has told us this game can be beaten, so I remain hopeful. And then you turn up. Some other dude is currently trying for 15 grand offa me for a failproof system. I hope yours is a little cheaper than that... and less complicated. Hope springs eternal in the mind of the crazed casino punter. I hope you read this before Sonny or someone spots your Troll link.
if somebody is trying to get 15 grand off of you then that is bullshit, they probably are not winning with their system. Plus after you pay 15 grand, how long do you have to play to make all that back? I don't get idiots who sell systems for that much...Just my opinion.
Johndoe: you do not even have the system therefore you have no right to make the assumption that a person who buys the system is a sucker. Judging someone through a forum is a pretty low level to sink to, considering the fact that you have never met me and you know nothing about me.johndoe said:
anyway, I hope that you are having success with whatever you are playing (if you do currently gamble at the casino). And if you are not having success then it makes sense for you to be negative towards me.
Every single post I've seen describing an unvetted "system" for sale on this or any other board has been completely bogus. So far this track record is absolutely perfect.jimryan17 said:
You have no credibility whatsoever, yet you expect us to "assume" that the system is legitimate.
Thus, my assumption that you are either a con artist, or more likely (giving you the benefit of the doubt) someone who simply is not qualified to understand the validity of a system. These are almost always progression systems of various sorts, which as we all know do not work.
I have plenty of success, thank you very much. I just don't like people wading onto this forum to take advantage of those who may not know better.
Ok, I understand where you are coming from. That is a very good point that you are making.
I am not trying to take advantage of anybody...I am sorry that it appears that way but my system does work. For those people who do not have the same success that you have, I am giving them the opportunity to have success without having to put a lot of work into it. You have probably worked very hard for your success and I have done the same.
Good luck and I hope your success continues.
I am not trying to take advantage of anybody...I am sorry that it appears that way but my system does work. For those people who do not have the same success that you have, I am giving them the opportunity to have success without having to put a lot of work into it. You have probably worked very hard for your success and I have done the same.
Good luck and I hope your success continues.
johndoe said:
A cursory search on the web led me to your website, where the same system is $50, as well as your eBay advertisements (as selling systems like this is not allowed on ebay) claiming "Make $50-$100 per day!". Not taking advantage of people, huh? :laugh:jimryan17 said:
It was also pretty easy to find similar posts on a variety of gambling forums. The difference is, people here know what they're doing.
Seeing that it's a software bot you're selling, I assume you'll have no trouble describing the methodology you use?
The system that I am selling has nothing to do wit software/bot I am selling. I actually sold one bot and I decided not to advertise the site anymore because I didn't feel like putting the time and money into it. The person who bought the bot has been winning with it. And I actually had about 3 or 4 pages on the site, I deleted most of them. I only started selling the bot so I could provide some money to my daughter for text books (she is in college). I do not use the bot because my internet connection sucks and I cannot get it to stay connected.johndoe said:
And if you do not think it is possible to make $50-$100 a day gambling then you have a lot to learn.
and I wold have no trouble describing the methodology that I use and that is because I do not use the bot anymore, nor do I care if i get a sale. Actually, I don't even care that much if anybody buys my current system... But I will not describe the methodology to you because you obviously do not need any help plus it is a very slow flat bet method that you would never want to play by hand.
You can do all of the dectative work you want. Dig deep but you are wasiting your time. You know nothing about me and nothing about my current situation. you do not know why I have done the things that I have done, such as selling the bot...So rather then playing detective and making accusations based off your initial assumptions, how about you do something more productive with your time.
I guess that I shouldn't be responding to these posts but I am actually getting a kick out of it. But tomorrow I leave for the casino and I will be playing my system. After I play I will probably never be making a sale again, nor will I be returning here to make any more posts. This is too time consuming. But it is pretty damn funny
My main goal is really only to expose you, so that no one wastes their money on your "system".
Of course you can make $50-$100 (and much more) per day "gambling" - many people here do, if you have a method that provides you with an actual advantage. I don't see any evidence that yours does.
If the system was as good as you say, you wouldn't be selling it, and if you did have some kind of breakthrough you wouldn't have any problem with someone scrutinizing it, to determine its legitimacy.
As it stands, you wandered in hawking snake oil to people who (mostly) know better. If you have something rational to contribute, then please do so.
Of course you can make $50-$100 (and much more) per day "gambling" - many people here do, if you have a method that provides you with an actual advantage. I don't see any evidence that yours does.
If the system was as good as you say, you wouldn't be selling it, and if you did have some kind of breakthrough you wouldn't have any problem with someone scrutinizing it, to determine its legitimacy.
As it stands, you wandered in hawking snake oil to people who (mostly) know better. If you have something rational to contribute, then please do so.
SystemsTrader
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Jim Ryan your words are not exuding confidence in your system. You say your system "seems very consistent". Well is it consistent or not? Then you say "If I do well", "I will have no reason to sell anymore". So you want us to buy your system and you still aren't sure if you will do well?jimryan17 said:
Jim have you simulated your system and how many hands did you simulate?
over 200 shoes. I am always a bit negative because you never know what will happen when gambling. And the 200 shoes have been tested live.SystemsTrader said:
Johndoe: All of my money that I have made has been on live games via dublin bet. I'm trying to build my bankroll...I stated that already.
Expose me all you want...as I said before, I don't care. Just stop acting like you know what my system is. Do you know what it is? I would really like to hear what you think my system is..
I have the money for my bankroll. I decided that I am no longer going to sell my system. I got a cash advance...I will be taking out a cash advance from my credit card company...so don't worry about exposing me anymore
200 shoes is meaningless, statistically. Your system has not been properly tested. Simulate a billion rounds and let us know what the results are.jimryan17 said:
I don't need to know your system to know that it's garbage. It hasn't been tested at all. That you claim that 200 "live" shoes is a valid sample size proves you have no idea what you're doing. Asking anyone to pay for your system is unconscionable.
And if you're serious about taking a cash advance to play, and are not being sarcastic, you're an even bigger fool than I thought!
Good luck, you're gonna need it!
ok w/e you say..I am not going to respond to your posts because I think it is getting stupid to waste so much time on this forum. As I said, i wont be selling my system anymore so I see no more reason to continue this conversation, I have nothing more to prove to you, just as you have nothing more to prove to me....and if you do feel the need to continue then please do get a life. And if you have time to test your systems and methods on billions of shoes then you really need to get a life. I have too much going on to care about what you have to say and to spend my time on this forum responding.
have the last word if you wish...but have it knowing that i will not be responding.
I tried to be friendly towards you but you don't care to look on the other side of the situation and be nice back.
Do not worry, I will never post on this forum again..I have no reason to.
and once again, from one gambler go another...good luck and I do wish you continued success at the casino. Even if you hate me and I dislike you, I would much rather see you walk out of the casino everytime with their money
have the last word if you wish...but have it knowing that i will not be responding.
I tried to be friendly towards you but you don't care to look on the other side of the situation and be nice back.
Do not worry, I will never post on this forum again..I have no reason to.
and once again, from one gambler go another...good luck and I do wish you continued success at the casino. Even if you hate me and I dislike you, I would much rather see you walk out of the casino everytime with their money
One more thing:
I went through some of your posts on this forum to see what you say to people. you have made an awful lot of posts. You seem to give people advice and you seem to care enough to tell people not to buy my system even though you know nothing about it...so I guess that I now see where you are coming from.
I truly am sorry if I have offended you in anyway, because after all, you are only trying to help people. It is good to have people in this world who are willing to give help and advice to other people, I wish that I had someone like that to do the same to me when I first started gambling.
I went through some of your posts on this forum to see what you say to people. you have made an awful lot of posts. You seem to give people advice and you seem to care enough to tell people not to buy my system even though you know nothing about it...so I guess that I now see where you are coming from.
I truly am sorry if I have offended you in anyway, because after all, you are only trying to help people. It is good to have people in this world who are willing to give help and advice to other people, I wish that I had someone like that to do the same to me when I first started gambling.
Don't worry, you didn't offend me.jimryan17 said:
I know plenty about you and your system. I know that you have either enough ignorance (me being generous), or lack of scruples (less generous) to sell a system that's completely untested, and is almost certainly bogus.
That you would consider a 200-shoe "live" test as legitimate unambiguously means you have no idea what you're doing. (And I guarantee that writing and running a simulation that accurately runs a billion rounds with your system takes far less time than playing 200 real shoes, not to mention cheaper.)
I really hope you understand this now.
I'm quite happy to offer advice to people, and debunking snake-oil salesmen like yourself is part of it (also fun). I also greatly appreciate the advice people here have given me, especially from those with much more expertise than I.
Believe it or not, if you actually want to "change your ways", stop gambling, and beat the casinos legitimately - and for real - you're quite welcome to stick around!
haha I am not a snake oil salesman...
I think that we have different opinions on the amount of testing that is needed for a successful system. I am not going to argue with you about that but here is my view...and I would like to hear your opinion about why I could be wrong.
To simulate a billion games would take nearly forever. In roulette they say that you should simulate thousands and thousands of spins...I don't see the point because I do not believe it is possible to beat roulette.
I have never played blackjack but I assume that blackjack is far different than baccarat and you have no real advantage unless you are card counting but I could be very wrong. Therefore if you use a system in blackjack then it would make sense to simulate for a ton of games.
now baccarat: There are several factors that go into the game of baccarat. For example the way that the dealer shuffles a deck will have an impact on the runs and chops of the cards. Certain patterns also seem to appear and this could be a result of clumping and so on. Given the nature of the game you can come up with a decent amount of shoes that should reflect the true randomness that we would see over a long period of time. Many people collect thousands of shoes and come up with template shoes based on certain statistics.
Now we have to look at the nature of my system. My system is very unique..I have never seen anything like it but someone could very well have thought of it. I may not have tested the system on 1000's of shoes but I have looked over thousands of shoes of data to see how the strike rate holds up. I came tot he conclusion that the bets that I am making seem to win more than the lose. After doing this work I began to test and test and test. I only test live shoes because of the nature of the system. I do not trust that simulated shoes will produce the same results of live shoes. Also, the 200 shoes are only my tests. I have 5 friends in vegas who have the system and they have not had bad results yet. They have been playing live and winning.
So testing is important...it is very important, I will give you that. However, I don't think that testing on 1000s of shoes is necessary for the reason that I described above...
Now If you would care to correct me where I am wrong then I would love to hear what you have to say.
What is your game of choice? do you prefer blackjack? and where do you play?
Also as I talk about my system I would just like to make it clear that I am not trying to promote it in anyway. As I said, I am done selling it. I consider it somewhat of an advantage system...well the closest thing that you can get to advantage system in baccarat.
I think that we have different opinions on the amount of testing that is needed for a successful system. I am not going to argue with you about that but here is my view...and I would like to hear your opinion about why I could be wrong.
To simulate a billion games would take nearly forever. In roulette they say that you should simulate thousands and thousands of spins...I don't see the point because I do not believe it is possible to beat roulette.
I have never played blackjack but I assume that blackjack is far different than baccarat and you have no real advantage unless you are card counting but I could be very wrong. Therefore if you use a system in blackjack then it would make sense to simulate for a ton of games.
now baccarat: There are several factors that go into the game of baccarat. For example the way that the dealer shuffles a deck will have an impact on the runs and chops of the cards. Certain patterns also seem to appear and this could be a result of clumping and so on. Given the nature of the game you can come up with a decent amount of shoes that should reflect the true randomness that we would see over a long period of time. Many people collect thousands of shoes and come up with template shoes based on certain statistics.
Now we have to look at the nature of my system. My system is very unique..I have never seen anything like it but someone could very well have thought of it. I may not have tested the system on 1000's of shoes but I have looked over thousands of shoes of data to see how the strike rate holds up. I came tot he conclusion that the bets that I am making seem to win more than the lose. After doing this work I began to test and test and test. I only test live shoes because of the nature of the system. I do not trust that simulated shoes will produce the same results of live shoes. Also, the 200 shoes are only my tests. I have 5 friends in vegas who have the system and they have not had bad results yet. They have been playing live and winning.
So testing is important...it is very important, I will give you that. However, I don't think that testing on 1000s of shoes is necessary for the reason that I described above...
Now If you would care to correct me where I am wrong then I would love to hear what you have to say.
What is your game of choice? do you prefer blackjack? and where do you play?
Also as I talk about my system I would just like to make it clear that I am not trying to promote it in anyway. As I said, I am done selling it. I consider it somewhat of an advantage system...well the closest thing that you can get to advantage system in baccarat.
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