A system for baccarat

[bj21abc]

New BJ system for John Doe

I have a great new system which can absolutely slay the casinos. No need to count cards or use strategy, or any other such rubbish. You just have to sit at any blackjack table, use my secret playing system, and watch the money roll in.

I can't really say what it's based on, but it's a combination of coastal tide fluctuations, reading sheep entrails and mouse dropping pattern recognition. Or something like it (buy the system for the exact details - animal names above for illustration only).

I have repeatedly (2 days running) won huge sums of money on the coolcatcasino play money website, so I know it works. You can make at least $1000 a day using this system. No, maybe $500 a day. Perhaps $50 a day. Or close to that. But you can get rich !

Visit my website NOW to buy the system. Unless I have stopped selling it. Because I don't need the money. This system is so powerful and so successful that I will become rich using it. I raised $150 by selling my skateboard collection and using this bankroll I will bankrupt the casinos.
If you still want to buy the system, send me an email request and I may agree to take your money. Out of compassion only.

But I won't sell to this John Doe person. He has disrespected my system. Which only makes it stronger.

 

[johndoe]

To simulate a billion games would take nearly forever.

I can run a billion hand simulation in about 4 minutes. It would probably take two hours to write the simulator itself.

There's no reason your system can't be tested properly, except that you might not like the results, so I doubt you'd bother.

I don't see the point because I do not believe it is possible to beat roulette.

Wrong again!

I have never played blackjack but I assume that blackjack is far different than baccarat and you have no real advantage unless you are card counting but I could be very wrong. Therefore if you use a system in blackjack then it would make sense to simulate for a ton of games.

So you've never played blackjack, don't know anything about advantage play, but are qualified to create a winning baccarat system and sell it to people, who base their own money on your claims?

That's pretty low, dude.

Certain patterns also seem to appear and this could be a result of clumping and so on.

Lots of people try to find patterns in the cards. The casinos even provide the pen and paper to the players to encourage this behavior. Know why? Because it doesn't work, and they know it.

I only test live shoes because of the nature of the system. I do not trust that simulated shoes will produce the same results of live shoes. Also, the 200 shoes are only my tests. I have 5 friends in vegas who have the system and they have not had bad results yet. They have been playing live and winning.

If your system doesn't rely on dealer errors, then it can be simulated perfectly, and rather easily.

Why not get someone with some credibility to simulate it for you, vouch for it, then you can get rich selling books honestly?

Baccarat is a very high variance game; that you and your pals have had some brief success (assuming it's true) is absolutely meaningless.

What is your game of choice? do you prefer blackjack? and where do you play?

I prefer blackjack as well as other games where I have a clear, provable, statistical advantage over the house.

I consider it somewhat of an advantage system...well the closest thing that you can get to advantage system in baccarat.

See, *you* don't even know if you have an advantage system or not!

 

[johndoe]

I have a great new system which can absolutely slay the casinos. No need to count cards or use strategy, or any other such rubbish. You just have to sit at any blackjack table, use my secret playing system, and watch the money roll in.

But I won't sell to this John Doe person. He has disrespected my system. Which only makes it stronger.

:laugh:

 

[jimryan17]

I have a great new system which can absolutely slay the casinos. No need to count cards or use strategy, or any other such rubbish. You just have to sit at any blackjack table, use my secret playing system, and watch the money roll in.

I can't really say what it's based on, but it's a combination of coastal tide fluctuations, reading sheep entrails and mouse dropping pattern recognition. Or something like it (buy the system for the exact details - animal names above for illustration only).

I have repeatedly (2 days running) won huge sums of money on the coolcatcasino play money website, so I know it works. You can make at least $1000 a day using this system. No, maybe $500 a day. Perhaps $50 a day. Or close to that. But you can get rich !

Visit my website NOW to buy the system. Unless I have stopped selling it. Because I don't need the money. This system is so powerful and so successful that I will become rich using it. I raised $150 by selling my skateboard collection and using this bankroll I will bankrupt the casinos.
If you still want to buy the system, send me an email request and I may agree to take your money. Out of compassion only.

But I won't sell to this John Doe person. He has disrespected my system. Which only makes it stronger.

The the hell are you?

 

[jimryan17]

ok thanks for your reply. i had someone run it over about 10,000 decisions and it is still going strong..

I can run a billion hand simulation in about 4 minutes. It would probably take two hours to write the simulator itself.

There's no reason your system can't be tested properly, except that you might not like the results, so I doubt you'd bother.



Wrong again!



So you've never played blackjack, don't know anything about advantage play, but are qualified to create a winning baccarat system and sell it to people, who base their own money on your claims?

That's pretty low, dude.



Lots of people try to find patterns in the cards. The casinos even provide the pen and paper to the players to encourage this behavior. Know why? Because it doesn't work, and they know it.




If your system doesn't rely on dealer errors, then it can be simulated perfectly, and rather easily.

Why not get someone with some credibility to simulate it for you, vouch for it, then you can get rich selling books honestly?

Baccarat is a very high variance game; that you and your pals have had some brief success (assuming it's true) is absolutely meaningless.




I prefer blackjack as well as other games where I have a clear, provable, statistical advantage over the house.



See, *you* don't even know if you have an advantage system or not!

 

[ycming]

Seriously mate, if your daughter is going to college and you need to fund it to pay for her books. I would strongly advice getting money from a credit card for you to gamble.

Statistics don't lie. Till you have enough statistical evidence don't try anything like this!

Ming

 

[ExhibitCAA]

johndoe and the other guys here:

"and once again, from one gambler go another...good luck and I do wish you continued success at the casino. Even if you hate me and I dislike you, I would much rather see you walk out of the casino everytime with their money"

This is the difference between being "polite" and being "nice." This guy is being polite (though I think that, too, is fake), but how sleazy! Actions speak louder than words (even polite ones)--the guy sells garbage to idiots.

This guy is right out of the catalog of snake-oil salesmen:

1. Evades details. Obviously he doesn't want to "undermine" the system by divulging too much, esp. with casino people reading these boards

2. Dismisses statistics. Why go on on this point? Here is a guy who had no math beyond high school--guaranteed. But he thinks he can beat a game that's been around for decades (centuries?), using a system that he came up with in a few minutes.

3. Relies on short samples. He either thinks that the short sample is meaningful (idiocy), or he intentionally ignores a longer sample which would reveal the truth (sleazy).

4. Cites winning results. As if actual wins have anything to do with anything! Did you see the guy who won the Nevada lottery last week? He tried to sell his system the next day: "1. Go to gas station, 2. Buy cigarettes, 3. Play video poker, 4. Use last $2 to buy lottery tickets, 5. Collect millions." At least the lottery winner's results are actually verifiable!

5. Can't stop. The guy says he won't waste time posting here anymore, then goes on to post ten more useless things.

6. Starts to lie. Did you like his claim that a friend simmed 10000 hands? Obviously bogus. Anyone capable of simming 10000 hands could and would have easily simmed 100 million, or a few billion. The funny thing is, the snake-oil salesman thinks 10000 is a lot (point #3). I want to know how many times the friend simmed 10000 hands until he found a winning 10000-hand run.

7. Says "You don't know anything about me." We know that he's a guy who thinks 200 shoes means something. That tells us almost everything. But we know more! He's a guy who has a daughter in college (or he's a liar). He's a guy who takes a credit card advance to gamble (or he's a liar). There is only one remaining question: does the guy really believe in his garbage system? When he sells the snake oil, does he know it's snake oil?

My personal favorite is the daughter-in-college schtick. That's about as good as the Vegas classic, "I'm in law school, but I strip on weekends to pay tuition." But hey, who cares if this guy loses the tuition money to the casino? The daughter doesn't need college anyway--she's got enough smarts from her old man.

Here's a challenge to jimryan: Get every member of your family to try your system! I mean every single member--brothers, sisters, parents, cousins, daughter (if she's 21+). Get them all making money from the system. Since they're family, I recommend giving them the system for free initially, but taking the $50 or $100 out of their initial profits. That's only fair. This system will give a big boost to your whole extended family! Let us know how that goes!

(I don't know anything about the drug trade, but why do I have the feeling that Mexican drug lords don't sell/give drugs for their children's use?)

 

[QFIT]

That's about as good as the Vegas classic, "I'm in law school, but I strip on weekends to pay tuition."

Damn, you outted my best line.

 

[JSTAT]

over 200 shoes. I have the money for my bankroll. I decided that I am no longer going to sell my system. I got a cash advance...I will be taking out a cash advance from my credit card company...so don't worry about exposing me anymore

Playing with scared money such as a cash advance is not good financial planning. Can you tease us with a small sample of your baccarat system , jimryan17? Something like, the "players" bet will win in the long run with 2's and 3's remaining in the shoe, will satisfy many that math is on your side.

Winning millions of dollars using your method and getting barred from playing baccarat at Bellagio or any carpet joint on the Las Vegas strip from a cash advance, would be a great rags to riches story. Or, this can be a $1000 made (left in pocket), resulting in a 9k loss from a $10,000 credit card advance story. Be careful!

 

[jimryan17]

The simulation was limited because my friend from vegas only has a limited number of live results dumbass...I don't sim on computer generated results..

I was actually trying to be nice to Johndoe..you have no understanding about the difference between "nice" and "polite".. I'll save myself from the philosophical argument which I know that I will kick your ass in.

I am not going to respond to the rest of the crap that you wrote because I decided to stop reading because you have no idea what you are talking about...you have no reason to continue this considering the fact that I stated I am no longer selling my system...you must just be a complete asshole to all those who you meet in real life, unwilling to look at 2 sides of an issue. I don't feel sorry for people like you who think that they know it all end up being completely wrong. It sucks to be you..that is how I will leave it

Johndoe: I was seriously trying to be nice to you and have a conversation. I figured that maybe we could extend this thread to something well beyond the direction that it was heading. I do have some valuable advice for those who play baccarat and I would love to learn the game of blackjack. But I have lost my will to do so.
Yet again, I am sorry for any problem that I have caused, I will happily leave the thread at this point. Hope you have continued success with blackjack.

johndoe and the other guys here:

"and once again, from one gambler go another...good luck and I do wish you continued success at the casino. Even if you hate me and I dislike you, I would much rather see you walk out of the casino everytime with their money"

This is the difference between being "polite" and being "nice." This guy is being polite (though I think that, too, is fake), but how sleazy! Actions speak louder than words (even polite ones)--the guy sells garbage to idiots.

This guy is right out of the catalog of snake-oil salesmen:

1. Evades details. Obviously he doesn't want to "undermine" the system by divulging too much, esp. with casino people reading these boards

2. Dismisses statistics. Why go on on this point? Here is a guy who had no math beyond high school--guaranteed. But he thinks he can beat a game that's been around for decades (centuries?), using a system that he came up with in a few minutes.

3. Relies on short samples. He either thinks that the short sample is meaningful (idiocy), or he intentionally ignores a longer sample which would reveal the truth (sleazy).

4. Cites winning results. As if actual wins have anything to do with anything! Did you see the guy who won the Nevada lottery last week? He tried to sell his system the next day: "1. Go to gas station, 2. Buy cigarettes, 3. Play video poker, 4. Use last $2 to buy lottery tickets, 5. Collect millions." At least the lottery winner's results are actually verifiable!

5. Can't stop. The guy says he won't waste time posting here anymore, then goes on to post ten more useless things.

6. Starts to lie. Did you like his claim that a friend simmed 10000 hands? Obviously bogus. Anyone capable of simming 10000 hands could and would have easily simmed 100 million, or a few billion. The funny thing is, the snake-oil salesman thinks 10000 is a lot (point #3). I want to know how many times the friend simmed 10000 hands until he found a winning 10000-hand run.

7. Says "You don't know anything about me." We know that he's a guy who thinks 200 shoes means something. That tells us almost everything. But we know more! He's a guy who has a daughter in college (or he's a liar). He's a guy who takes a credit card advance to gamble (or he's a liar). There is only one remaining question: does the guy really believe in his garbage system? When he sells the snake oil, does he know it's snake oil?

My personal favorite is the daughter-in-college schtick. That's about as good as the Vegas classic, "I'm in law school, but I strip on weekends to pay tuition." But hey, who cares if this guy loses the tuition money to the casino? The daughter doesn't need college anyway--she's got enough smarts from her old man.

Here's a challenge to jimryan: Get every member of your family to try your system! I mean every single member--brothers, sisters, parents, cousins, daughter (if she's 21+). Get them all making money from the system. Since they're family, I recommend giving them the system for free initially, but taking the $50 or $100 out of their initial profits. That's only fair. This system will give a big boost to your whole extended family! Let us know how that goes!

(I don't know anything about the drug trade, but why do I have the feeling that Mexican drug lords don't sell/give drugs for their children's use?)

 

[jimryan17]

Playing with scared money such as a cash advance is not good financial planning. Can you tease us with a small sample of your baccarat system , jimryan17? Something like, the "players" bet will win in the long run with 2's and 3's remaining in the shoe, will satisfy many that math is on your side.

Winning millions of dollars using your method and getting barred from playing baccarat at Bellagio or any carpet joint on the Las Vegas strip from a cash advance, would be a great rags to riches story. Or, this can be a $1000 left in pocket after losing 9k from a $10,000 credit card advance story. Be careful!

you actually seem to be a nice person...first I will not be taking out a $10,000 cash advance...only enough to hold me over to my next paycheck. Second i will not be taking out a cash advance, I used the wrong wording when i posted that thread..I will be using my credit card, almost the same thing though...just lower finance chargers. I do not need a lot of money to make this system work.

If I ever do make millions then you will hear from me

 

[ExhibitCAA]

"The simulation was limited because my friend from vegas only has a limited number of live results dumbass...I don't sim on computer generated results.."

Fair enough, you don't sim on computers--because you are unable.

"I was actually trying to be nice to Johndoe..you have no understanding about the difference between "nice" and "polite".. I'll save myself from the philosophical argument which I know that I will kick your ass in."

My operating definition is simple: "polite"="doesn't say rude things" and "nice"="doesn't DO rude things." Your latest reply proves my conjecture that your politeness was fake. Luckily, you don't have to be nice OR polite to consistently win in a casino. You just have to be smart. Oops--strike three!

"I am not going to respond to the rest of the crap that you wrote because I decided to stop reading"

You didn't read my full post? I doubt that. I can tilt guys like you in two seconds flat, and you couldn't help but read the rest of the post. But it's OK, we expect snake-oil salesmen to lie throughout their arguments.

"because you have no idea what you are talking about...you have no reason to continue this considering the fact that I stated I am no longer selling my system..."

It's not enough to stop selling it here. You would have to stop selling it everywhere else, and never sell it again, nor attempt to sell it again, nor attempt to advocate the system as anything other than garbage. Since you can't meet these stronger criteria, we can "continue this." Furthermore, didn't you say you wouldn't post anymore, and, as I also predicted, you can't stop!

"you must just be a complete asshole to all those who you meet in real life, unwilling to look at 2 sides of an issue."

I HAVE looked at both sides. I think it was probably my very first lecture of Stats 110: Introduction to Probability and Statistics where the professor showed the idiocy of such systems. Of course, the point was so obvious that no one in the class needed the professor to belabor the point. You, apparently, aren't as quick. You are free to learn the hard way. You are right that I am not nice to many people I meet in real life; many people I meet in real life are sleazebags. If I were fortunate enough to watch you play live, I would LOVE to see you get crushed by the casinos--and I'm a guy who hates casinos.

"I don't feel sorry for people like you who think that they know it all end up being completely wrong. It sucks to be you..that is how I will leave it"

You're certainly gonna show me wrong on this one. You're right--sucks to be me. Oh wait, YOU'RE the guy borrowing off a credit card to gamble. Good luck with that!

"Johndoe: I was seriously trying to be nice to you and have a conversation."

Didn't take much to tilt you.

"I do have some valuable advice for those who play baccarat"

Oh, we're all ears.

"and I would love to learn the game of blackjack. But I have lost my will to do so."

The weak are easily deterred. But avoiding blackjack is probably good for you.

"Yet again, I am sorry for any problem that I have caused, I will happily leave the thread at this point."

Hey, don't apologize to us. Apologize to anyone who might have actually paid money for your system, or better yet, refund their money (LOL--that's a good one!).

 

[SleightOfHand]

You are my hero CAA

 

[Sonny]

Okay, let me get this straight – A guy claims to have a winning betting system but he deleted it from his post, refuses to give any details about it, isn’t willing to discuss it at all, refuses to discuss anything even related to his system, any casino game, any strategy or any information at all, obviously doesn’t know the first thing about gambling and refuses to listen to anyone. How has this thread gone on for four pages?

-Sonny-

 

[iCountNTrack]

i just wonder why knowledgeable people bother replying to posts in the voodoo section.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

you actually seem to be a nice person...

Just thought I'd jump in and comment for a second because I don't think you're understanding the reason for the hostility directed at you. Personally, I try not to be as confrontational as some of the people on here, and I thought I might be able to explain.

First of all, a real problem in the gambling world is people selling phony systems. I honestly don't think you fall into this category. More likely, you're a guy that thinks he's developed a great system and sure enough, it's looking strong after many, many repeated trials. The problem is that, unless you've tapped into some strange new technique that no one's been able to figure out before, you're still playing against a negative advantage. No matter how well your system works to produce many short-term wins, it will ultimately produce a losing session so long that it will wipe out all of the wins from many small winning sessions and then some.

Baccarat is a game with a small enough house edge to where you can have many consistent wins over a seemingly long period of time by using progressions like Oscar's Grind, Martingale, and so on, but you have to understand that all of these systems will fail in the long run. I would imagine that your system is something similar to these, involving a progression, win and stop-losses. My advice to you would be to quit while you're ahead, especially if there's any sort of serious stake involved, and especially if it involves taking out any form of credit. The more you play with a system against a negative advantage game, the closer you're moving towards that one, long and devastating losing streak.

Although I think most of the responses to your thread have been unnecessarily rude, the advice is absolutely sound. The basic principles of probability and statistics are enough to debunk any system that intends to profit from independent trials or to overcome a disadvantage by recognizing "biases" or "patterns" in games like Baccarat. It would be wise to have a very thorough understanding of these principles before putting your money on the line. Best of luck.

 

[johndoe]

i just wonder why knowledgeable people bother replying to posts in the voodoo section.

Mostly because sleazy con men like this guy need to be debunked publicly, so no one falls for his scam. Why should their bogus systems and nonsense claims go unanswered in any public forum?

Almost everyone here is smart enough (I hope!) to not fall for it, but there are probably some new people around who may not know better.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Playing with scared money such as a cash advance is not good financial planning. Can you tease us with a small sample of your baccarat system , jimryan17? Something like, the "players" bet will win in the long run with 2's and 3's remaining in the shoe, will satisfy many that math is on your side. ..

From this approach the math is not on your side. The EOR of the cards are orders of magnitude smaller than they are for blackjack. Thus baccarat cannot be beaten by counting, not by any significant margin.

Now baccarat sidebets, on the other hand...

 

[jimryan17]

thanks for that nice post. I understand exactly what you are saying and I respect you for doing it in a civilized manner. You have never seen the system so it make sense for you to warn me to be careful...i do not use any of those progression and I do not use a progression that anybody has ever heard of.In my first post, which you cannot see because it is deleted, I talked about how large/fancy progressions are not needed (maybe that means I flat bet a lot)?? I would say more but I will be accused of lying or something by somebody else..
I understand what everyone is saying and i do take what everyone says in. But I too have a lot of experience with gambling...I have been doing it for years (now here comes the part where someone makes some claim about how i do not know what I am doing)...What sort of annoys me is the fact that so many people think that it is impossible to create a winning system for baccarat. People are always looking in the same places for system...always going over the same ideas, it is a constant cycle. Nobody is creative anymore and that is probably a result of losing and how creative can you get with a 50/50 game? Well it is possible to get very creative and maybe most people cannot realize that here because they are too thick headed...


Sonny- you obviously are like the majority of the people here...It looks as though you have some power on this forum. Can you lock up this thread? Ban me? Please do w/e possible to end this conversation and my stay at this forum. I keep returning because I have trouble leaving questions/comments unanswered and I am tried of getting nowhere. This was one of my first ventures into forums and probably my last. AS far as why this is in vodoo...i don't know, i think someone put it here. I deleted my post because it was written in language that advertises and someone pointed that out so I figured i would delete the post to honor the rules of the forum. But please do something to end this because I see this is going nowhere.

 

[jimryan17]

Mostly because sleazy con men like this guy need to be debunked publicly, so no one falls for his scam. Why should their bogus systems and nonsense claims go unanswered in any public forum?

Almost everyone here is smart enough (I hope!) to not fall for it, but there are probably some new people around who may not know better.

= thick headed