suicyco maniac
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Just getting sick of losing and wanted to vent 
SM
SM
AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!
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game session post mortems...
should be automatic for the "advantage" player. i've noticed that after a losing session, there are contributing factors which i might have controlled.
two problems are wrong game and overbetting one's session bankroll.
laziness cum inertia cause one to "plop" down at a game with less than otherwise acceptable conditions. that means too many players, not enough penetration, slow dealer/other player. in clark county, there is no excuse for that. weekend warriors/visitors or those who play at isolated/tribal venues, may have some pressure to get in so many hours, but not "locals". these days i look at many more tables than i play at. to "play all" tables is worse than "play all" at a 6 or 8 deck shoe.
overbetting one's b.r. as some function of "catch up" is a tail spin of which i've cured myself. but that's an easy trap.
bottom line is to walk by any less than advantageous game. and, do not press any action, whether up or down, beyond some predetermined percentage of your session b.r.
should be automatic for the "advantage" player. i've noticed that after a losing session, there are contributing factors which i might have controlled.
two problems are wrong game and overbetting one's session bankroll.
laziness cum inertia cause one to "plop" down at a game with less than otherwise acceptable conditions. that means too many players, not enough penetration, slow dealer/other player. in clark county, there is no excuse for that. weekend warriors/visitors or those who play at isolated/tribal venues, may have some pressure to get in so many hours, but not "locals". these days i look at many more tables than i play at. to "play all" tables is worse than "play all" at a 6 or 8 deck shoe.
overbetting one's b.r. as some function of "catch up" is a tail spin of which i've cured myself. but that's an easy trap.
bottom line is to walk by any less than advantageous game. and, do not press any action, whether up or down, beyond some predetermined percentage of your session b.r.
Keeping losses to a minimum.
In my earlier days i too had the problem of getting very agressive when losing only to dig myself into a deeper hole. These days I do just the opposite and bet conservatively when I'm on a terrible swing. An example would be making only a 3 unit bet at 2tc instead of a 4 unit and not get too cocky in higher plus counts. This seems to keep my losses at a minimum,in a sense you can say I'm utilizing kelly betting as a trip bankroll instead of total bankroll with good success.
In my earlier days i too had the problem of getting very agressive when losing only to dig myself into a deeper hole. These days I do just the opposite and bet conservatively when I'm on a terrible swing. An example would be making only a 3 unit bet at 2tc instead of a 4 unit and not get too cocky in higher plus counts. This seems to keep my losses at a minimum,in a sense you can say I'm utilizing kelly betting as a trip bankroll instead of total bankroll with good success.
suicyco maniac
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multiply...
....that loss by about a factor of six for my last 400 hours of play and you will understand my dismay
....that loss by about a factor of six for my last 400 hours of play and you will understand my dismay
suicyco maniac
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Swings
I have always had a very high pain tolerance especially when it comes to this game but this streak is starting to finally get to me a bit...I am still up a little for the year which helps but anymore it feels like I am counting 10s as plus and low cards as minus I cant even get one of those "lucky streaks" like the ploppies always seem to get...Last night a guy would hit 14 vs a 6 (TC +7) then stand on 12 vs 10 (TC way minus) also he split 6s vs a ten and stood on an 11 (7 of diamonds 4 of clubs) he ended up winning about 400 playing 10 a hand....And no he wasn't getting the hole card or next card info cuz he lost just as many of these crazy plays as he won he just kept getting BJ after BJ after BJ....SM
I have always had a very high pain tolerance especially when it comes to this game but this streak is starting to finally get to me a bit...I am still up a little for the year which helps but anymore it feels like I am counting 10s as plus and low cards as minus I cant even get one of those "lucky streaks" like the ploppies always seem to get...Last night a guy would hit 14 vs a 6 (TC +7) then stand on 12 vs 10 (TC way minus) also he split 6s vs a ten and stood on an 11 (7 of diamonds 4 of clubs) he ended up winning about 400 playing 10 a hand....And no he wasn't getting the hole card or next card info cuz he lost just as many of these crazy plays as he won he just kept getting BJ after BJ after BJ....SM
Makes you want to ask yourself
.....what is point of going through all the effort of counting when you are in a backslike like that.
When that happens to me I use it as an opportunity to tighten up on discipline. Particularly not playing while stressed out, being sure not to play through the really weak shoes, reviewing my indexes, being alert for possible holes in my counting methodology.
Sometimes during these backslides i have noticed that it seems that many fewer shoes ever get into positive counts and i stay too long. The more frustrating times are where you are playing in very rich shoes and laying heavy bets down but the cards just act perversely from your expectations. That is where i have lost some serious money.
Your tolerance for pain, your overall winnings, and it seems to me you are a veteran player should hold you in until things turn around. You know they will. Just keep playing.
.....what is point of going through all the effort of counting when you are in a backslike like that.
When that happens to me I use it as an opportunity to tighten up on discipline. Particularly not playing while stressed out, being sure not to play through the really weak shoes, reviewing my indexes, being alert for possible holes in my counting methodology.
Sometimes during these backslides i have noticed that it seems that many fewer shoes ever get into positive counts and i stay too long. The more frustrating times are where you are playing in very rich shoes and laying heavy bets down but the cards just act perversely from your expectations. That is where i have lost some serious money.
Your tolerance for pain, your overall winnings, and it seems to me you are a veteran player should hold you in until things turn around. You know they will. Just keep playing.
Quoting ...
SM,
You are very impressive. We can all learn a lot from how you are handling this.
A quote from the Heathcliff soundtrack, a song titled "The Gambling Song":
______________________________________________
THERE'S A MOMENT WHEN THE GAME'S BALANCE
TILTS THE OTHER WAY, THE OTHER WAY
WHEN THE ODDS BEGIN TO FAVOUR
OUTSIDERS IN THE PLAY, IN THE PLAY
... ...
DEAL THE CARDS IT WON'T MATTER HOW THEY FALL
BECAUSE NOTHING IS A GAMBLE WHEN YOU WANT IT ALL
SM,
You are very impressive. We can all learn a lot from how you are handling this.
A quote from the Heathcliff soundtrack, a song titled "The Gambling Song":
______________________________________________
THERE'S A MOMENT WHEN THE GAME'S BALANCE
TILTS THE OTHER WAY, THE OTHER WAY
WHEN THE ODDS BEGIN TO FAVOUR
OUTSIDERS IN THE PLAY, IN THE PLAY
... ...
DEAL THE CARDS IT WON'T MATTER HOW THEY FALL
BECAUSE NOTHING IS A GAMBLE WHEN YOU WANT IT ALL
400 hours
wow, sorry man. You have my complete respect. I'm not sure I could handle that. If I lose, I don't go conservative. I look for something that I can spread 1 - 40 on. Like a $10 double deck table. What do you think ? I won't sign the trespass slip for you, though. I hope it turns around man and you know I'm rooting for every single person on this forum unless you are a casino employee.
wow, sorry man. You have my complete respect. I'm not sure I could handle that. If I lose, I don't go conservative. I look for something that I can spread 1 - 40 on. Like a $10 double deck table. What do you think ? I won't sign the trespass slip for you, though. I hope it turns around man and you know I'm rooting for every single person on this forum unless you are a casino employee.
Yes ...
I remember having a bit of a bad spell, not nearly as damning as yours, but over the course of 100 hours I was down about 600 units.
At single deck games.
With 1-8 spreads.
Then Arnold piped up and told me I hadn`t experienced anything near what could be considered a bad losing streak.
I started having second thoughts about this game around that time. That said, I`m reminded of something Alex Mundy also mentioned to me:
"There is only one way to lose at this game, that is by no longer playing it."
Give `em hell SM, we`re rooting for you.
Best,
Syph
I remember having a bit of a bad spell, not nearly as damning as yours, but over the course of 100 hours I was down about 600 units.
At single deck games.
With 1-8 spreads.
Then Arnold piped up and told me I hadn`t experienced anything near what could be considered a bad losing streak.
I started having second thoughts about this game around that time. That said, I`m reminded of something Alex Mundy also mentioned to me:
"There is only one way to lose at this game, that is by no longer playing it."
Give `em hell SM, we`re rooting for you.
Best,
Syph
suicyco maniac
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John...
Eliot will attest that I am certianly not a casino spy....And yes you are right the more I lose the more I seek out good games and practice as far as a 40 to 1 spread I'll just say that I manage to do my fair share of HUGE spreads... SM P.S. lost another Kia at the tables tonight...
Eliot will attest that I am certianly not a casino spy....And yes you are right the more I lose the more I seek out good games and practice as far as a 40 to 1 spread I'll just say that I manage to do my fair share of HUGE spreads... SM P.S. lost another Kia at the tables tonight...
suicyco maniac
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Eliot....
Theres not a whole lot to learn from me except how to write lllllooonnngggg whiny emails about my latest bad beat story despite playing in some very lucrative conditions.....Thanx for everything you've done for me and all the kind words Eliot..SM
Theres not a whole lot to learn from me except how to write lllllooonnngggg whiny emails about my latest bad beat story despite playing in some very lucrative conditions.....Thanx for everything you've done for me and all the kind words Eliot..SM