ace tracking seems dangerous?

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Sucker

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Pro21 said:
When Al Francesco did the chat here he said that he was doing 8-12 per shoe, and he is in his 70s.
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Yes; HE'S the person I was talking about. I'm sure he's had plenty of shoes where he did 8-12 aces, but if he says that he's AVERAGING that many??? Sometimes people in their 70's are known to exaggerate a wee bit.

I've never made an ace tracking play with Al, but everyone I know that HAS; brags about him and how he has the ability to average 5 or 6 per shoe; not just every other shoe, but EVERY shoe. Believe me, that's VERY impressive.
 
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Meistro

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Does anyone try visually tracking aces during the shuffle? Like the dealer when doing the final step ladder will sometimes flash the bottoms of the grabs, so if you can cut to just above the flashed ace you should have a pretty good shot of starting with an ace first card no?
 
Tarzan

Tarzan

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Method

This is a little science project I have been working on a very long time. Sucker touched on this a bit. I have a standard method that I have been working with that has given great results overall but some hit and miss along the way. It's a matter of not wanting to talk of it in detail here on a public message board where every casino goon on the planet will read it.
 
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Elhombre

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andrew999 said:
If you were playing with a few other players and you bet big thinking an ace was coming out and the guy sitting to your right got it (or even worse the dealer) you are screwed. How can you be sure exactly when it comes out?
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Make shure that there are enough spots played before the dealer gets
his,her cards.
Find out yourself how many, depends on the shuffle.
Make your statistics about the gaps between the keys and the target card.

Anyway you cannot avoid that the dealer sometimes gets the ace, don't
worry. You mustn't pay him 3:2, loool.

And think about,if the dealers gets always the ace it's the best camo,
they won't bare you.

Eh.:cool2:
 
aslan

aslan

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Elhombre said:



And think about,if the dealers gets always the ace it's the best camo,
they won't bare you.

Eh.:cool2:
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lol Almost as good as doubling down on a hard 12. lol
 
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Elhombre

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Sucker said:
Yes; HE'S the person I was talking about. I'm sure he's had plenty of shoes where he did 8-12 aces, but if he says that he's AVERAGING that many??? Sometimes people in their 70's are known to exaggerate a wee bit.

I've never made an ace tracking play with Al, but everyone I know that HAS; brags about him and how he has the ability to average 5 or 6 per shoe; not just every other shoe, but EVERY shoe. Believe me, that's VERY impressive.
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Yes indeed Al is great.
To remember 7-9 double keycards every round over 9 hours of play are possible.
That depends of your system ( IMHO Ben Pridmore's system is best )

With some breaks for coffee, coke or small food, chocolate.
Mentally total fit and your body too.

Nowadays, not at Al's times, it's the biggest problem to catch the keys.
The paying and laying system has changed.
But it's still possible with a fotographic memory, very fast eyes and looking
forward what the dealer will do.

Eh.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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There are surely people who can remember every card out of the shoe in order. If you're not one of them, don't worry about it, but if you're going to do sequencing you're best off using a method that employs skills you do have.

This is where the math comes in- you have to do your own numbers relative to the shuffles you do have access to and the techniques you can use. There's a lot of bad math floating around out there concerning ace sequencing and most of it overstates the advantage.
 
aslan

aslan

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Automatic Monkey said:
There are surely people who can remember every card out of the shoe in order. If you're not one of them, don't worry about it, but if you're going to do sequencing you're best off using a method that employs skills you do have.

This is where the math comes in- you have to do your own numbers relative to the shuffles you do have access to and the techniques you can use. There's a lot of bad math floating around out there concerning ace sequencing and most of it overstates the advantage.
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Is there a book you would recommend above all others, or at all, for ace sequencing? I have considered Beyond Counting, but the price has left me wondering if I am getting my money's worth, or just a broad description of various advantage plays, non of which are actionable without more information than the book provides.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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aslan said:
Is there a book you would recommend above all others, or at all, for ace sequencing? I have considered Beyond Counting, but the price has left me wondering if I am getting my money's worth, or just a broad description of various advantage plays, non of which are actionable without more information than the book provides.
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No that book doesn't cover sequencing, and I'm not aware of any books that do it really well. Maybe someone else here does though.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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Sucker said:
You are absolutely correct, which is why I said that it's RATHER misleading, instead of TOTALLY misleading. And this statement is ESPECIALLY true in single deck, where if you miss your ace you only have a one in seventeen chance of getting a random ace, rather than one in thirteen...
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No I might not have been clear- if you miss a tracked ace in single deck you have much less than a 1 in 17 chance of getting a random one, assuming you saw only one key card in the last round. Because keying aces increases the chances they will be after a key card, it also decreases the chances they will be in places not after key cards.

This is the fact that I believe a lot of ace sequencing math mishandles.
 
iCountNTrack

iCountNTrack

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Sucker said:
Yes; HE'S the person I was talking about. I'm sure he's had plenty of shoes where he did 8-12 aces, but if he says that he's AVERAGING that many??? Sometimes people in their 70's are known to exaggerate a wee bit.

I've never made an ace tracking play with Al, but everyone I know that HAS; brags about him and how he has the ability to average 5 or 6 per shoe; not just every other shoe, but EVERY shoe. Believe me, that's VERY impressive.
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I was there in the chat room but i dint want to say anything, besides the fact that memorizing 8-12 sequences with 3 key cards is almost an impossible thing especially since might get to a point where you have 20 sequences in your brain cells from tracking the current shoe that is being dealt out. You also want to make sure that those sequences dont get broken up in the shuffle due to some shuffling step like a dealer grab for instance. So lets be a little realistic. As sucker said if you can do 3-4 sequences on every shoe that is really exceptional.
 
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