advantage play on the strip, where to go and where to stay away?

Kasi

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H.B. Craft said:
A 6d shoe, good pen with a couple of people at the table for cover is preferred, green or lower min bet and I'm happy.

DD and SD fluctuate too quickly for my taste.
Probably not there anymore but if you're near the Trop anyway last Nov they had a $5 S17 DAS DA2 with late surrender. I think it was 6 decks, can't remember, Late surrender wasn't posted but I asked and they said yes lol. Mid-shoe entry was allowed. The next day it was $10 I think (or maybe the $5 table was full lol).

Do let us know how it goes!

And good luck.
 

shadroch

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I only know one four deck game in the Vegas area,and its not on the strip. I'm curious myself. Why the secrecy?
 

callipygian

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shadroch said:
I only know one four deck game in the Vegas area,and its not on the strip. I'm curious myself. Why the secrecy?
Well, I'm a little scared that they're rare enough so that posting exactly which ones I've found can be cross-referenced with when I was last there (which I posted) and surveillance tapes can be pulled.

I'll post one that I only played at once: Bellagio, the pit on the left (bar side) as you walk into the casino from the front desk, by the high limit baccarat tables. The walkway side of the pit only has non-blackjack card games: war, three card poker, etc. But the wall side of the pit has 4D games at $25 minimums during the day. Most people probably don't scout that pit because all the other blackjack games face the walkway.
 

shadroch

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callipygian said:
Well, I'm a little scared that they're rare enough so that posting exactly which ones I've found can be cross-referenced with when I was last there (which I posted) and surveillance tapes can be pulled.

I'll post one that I only played at once: Bellagio, the pit on the left (bar side) as you walk into the casino from the front desk, by the high limit baccarat tables. The walkway side of the pit only has non-blackjack card games: war, three card poker, etc. But the wall side of the pit has 4D games at $25 minimums during the day. Most people probably don't scout that pit because all the other blackjack games face the walkway.

Didn't you recently post that you had never left Vegas with a profit?
 

callipygian

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shadroch said:
Didn't you recently post that you had never left Vegas with a profit?
I believe the exact line is that I have never left Vegas with more money than I arrived with. The vast majority of the time I leave up in terms of blackjack and poker, and frequently that means I leave with more cash than I arrived with, but I spend a lot in Vegas: drinks, rooms, meals, golf, spas, shows, clubs (in roughly descending order of cost :)). I also play a fair amount of EV negative games because my friends want to play - craps, roulette, and pai gow poker.

My main purpose for the trip is to reunite with old friends, not to make money. I play poker and blackjack to subsidize the trip, not to pay for it outright. One year I would have paid for the entire trip had a friend not flaked - we had planned to split a room three ways but one guy left early, so I ended up paying for half a room instead of a third on the last night, and I ended up about $20 shy of paying for the entire trip.

I've estimated my edge at about 1%, and I give up about half of that in tips (I'm actually 1 SD above EV right now, so I might be underestimating, or I might be lucky). Sonny once estimated that I'd need to play about 250 years at the rate I'm playing in order to hit "the long run". :eek:

Still, not playing much and not playing very seriously doesn't mean that I play like a total idiot: I've developed my own style and tried to back it up with as much math as I can do on my own PC (I've never paid any money for blackjack resources). I Wong in/out a lot, and I've got hand-drawn maps of most casinos so that I can scan a huge number of tables in a relatively short amount of time. Basically, I try to make the best out of a short amount of playing time and a small (but replenishable) bankroll.
 

shadroch

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Thats great. I just don't understand the paranoia that some casino guy is going to read this,and backtrack you down for some evil purpose.
 

callipygian

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shadroch said:
Thats great. I just don't understand the paranoia that some casino guy is going to read this,and backtrack you down for some evil purpose.
Assuming you bet enough for a casino to care, would you post the dates and places visited of your last trip? (Not a sarcastic question - honestly, would you?)
 

shadroch

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I do. What I don't do is state that I was playing in the hi limits room of casino X at 2pm on last Weds.
 

nottooshabby

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H.B. Craft said:
A 6d shoe, good pen with a couple of people at the table for cover is preferred, green or lower min bet and I'm happy.

DD and SD fluctuate too quickly for my taste.
Over Labor Day weekend Trop had $25 6D S17 DOA DAS RSA LS 75% pen (occasionally even better, rarely worse), and not just early in the day. Hope this helps. ;)
 

callipygian

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nottooshabby said:
Over Labor Day weekend Trop had $25 6D S17 DOA DAS RSA LS 75% pen (occasionally even better, rarely worse), and not just early in the day. Hope this helps. ;)
Are you sure about LS at Tropicana?
 

InPlay

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callipygian said:
Assuming you bet enough for a casino to care, would you post the dates and places visited of your last trip? (Not a sarcastic question - honestly, would you?)
I would and don't tell me they would know I am that person. You are just talking smack to cover you fibs.
 

InPlay

Banned
shadroch said:
Thats great. I just don't understand the paranoia that some casino guy is going to read this,and backtrack you down for some evil purpose.

When you start telling fibs you have to start talking smack to cover your fibbing trail. Thats what I love about the internet.
 

ihate17

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Surrender at the Trop

callipygian said:
Are you sure about LS at Tropicana?
For at least 10 years, perhaps longer, the Trop has had LS on their shoe game. The thing that is new is RSA.

ihate17
 

Kasi

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ihate17 said:
For at least 10 years, perhaps longer, the Trop has had LS on their shoe game. The thing that is new is RSA.
I thought the game I played last Nov might have had RSA but wasn't sure.

Was it 6D or 8D?

Anyway, had to ask if LS was offered - not written on the table lol.

I was pretty happy lol.
 

callipygian

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InPlay said:
You are just talking smack to cover you fibs.
What would I be lying about? That 4D shoes on the Strip exist?

I've been pretty specific about one game at least - not only have I posted the casino, but I've actually posted the exact pit that I claim it's in and a physical description of where in the pit the games are. :rolleyes:

There's a very easy and very unambiguous way to prove me a liar.
 
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