This is relating to me recent post about the dealer's who don't take too well to my playing style (no tipping).
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=6247
After that incident, I heard through my connections that they were on to my game and they were thinking that it was illegal for me to count cards there. Of course I was not scared of them, and went right back.
Me and supercoolmancool had decided that straight counting that game wasn't worth our time so we planned to do team tactics and hit them even harder. Anyway, we both sat down at the empty table, and we saw the same dealer as always reading a book. She tried to ignore us but we just sat there and didn't leave. Finally she says to us, "I don't think I can deal to you two." We asked why is that and she says, "We got a call from downtown saying you were counting cards."
Trying to convince her that we weren't was not going to be worth it, it wouldn't have worked. So we instead started questioning the legality of her refusing to deal to us. We live in ND, and I do not think there is a law that allows for casinos to bar cardcounters.
She looked for about 10 minutes and found some statement that said something like, "Any player using a fraudulent scheme no matter what the amount is subject to a 5000 dollar fine and/or 5 years in jail. We explained that cardcounting is not illegal so that does not apply to us.
She then said that the house rules state she has the right to refuse service to anyone. I mentioned that rules and laws are two different things. She said she had the State Law right there. I asked her if she could show me the law that allows her to refuse dealing to me because I was counting cards. She was looking quite annoyed at that point. She said, "It will take me 2 hours to find it, are you just going to sit there while I look?" I then said, "Keep looking, but we'll be back."
So to the legal aspect of this. Is there any legal action we can take on this? The situation is we are in ND, and this is a blackjack table in a bar. Does anyone know the law for ND enough to help us and determine if there is anything here to pursue? Also, are there lawyers that will take a case and you only pay if you win? This is not worth pursuing for me unless it is at no cost to me. It probably still isn't, but I think it would be funny, and I would like to make a point.
I don't know if this makes a difference or not, but this is a casino that donates the winnings to charity.
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=6247
After that incident, I heard through my connections that they were on to my game and they were thinking that it was illegal for me to count cards there. Of course I was not scared of them, and went right back.
Me and supercoolmancool had decided that straight counting that game wasn't worth our time so we planned to do team tactics and hit them even harder. Anyway, we both sat down at the empty table, and we saw the same dealer as always reading a book. She tried to ignore us but we just sat there and didn't leave. Finally she says to us, "I don't think I can deal to you two." We asked why is that and she says, "We got a call from downtown saying you were counting cards."
Trying to convince her that we weren't was not going to be worth it, it wouldn't have worked. So we instead started questioning the legality of her refusing to deal to us. We live in ND, and I do not think there is a law that allows for casinos to bar cardcounters.
She looked for about 10 minutes and found some statement that said something like, "Any player using a fraudulent scheme no matter what the amount is subject to a 5000 dollar fine and/or 5 years in jail. We explained that cardcounting is not illegal so that does not apply to us.
She then said that the house rules state she has the right to refuse service to anyone. I mentioned that rules and laws are two different things. She said she had the State Law right there. I asked her if she could show me the law that allows her to refuse dealing to me because I was counting cards. She was looking quite annoyed at that point. She said, "It will take me 2 hours to find it, are you just going to sit there while I look?" I then said, "Keep looking, but we'll be back."
So to the legal aspect of this. Is there any legal action we can take on this? The situation is we are in ND, and this is a blackjack table in a bar. Does anyone know the law for ND enough to help us and determine if there is anything here to pursue? Also, are there lawyers that will take a case and you only pay if you win? This is not worth pursuing for me unless it is at no cost to me. It probably still isn't, but I think it would be funny, and I would like to make a point.
I don't know if this makes a difference or not, but this is a casino that donates the winnings to charity.
