AnIrishmannot2brite
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WTF you say??? Not really.
Now hold that nasty thought for a minute and just observe this.
I made sure to always play heads up. However this is not so easy: Requires a little knowledge of when tables open up. In order to get some quality time alone with the dealer I may have to canvass the lounge often at the nearest Indian casino to find one empty.
And when someone else steps in? Good bye sucker!
BTW it was NDAS, H17 and of course 6:5
The key seems to be getting away with a good sized spread and not much notice from the crew. So the first time I meet a lonely dealer I buy in for about six hundred and bet $100.00 on the first bet. If I win? Great. If not I shrink to $25.00 and then down to $10.00 bucks table minimum if the true count goes below negative 1. Anything over +3 I bet a hundred and at or above +5 I bet between $200.00 and $300.00
Sometimes during the lower counts I may pretend to chase losses by tripling or quadrupling my ten dollar losses but this I do fairly rarely as camouflage. Makes it easier to buy the idea that I'm just an irrational (but lucky) "gambler".
Penetration varies but usually is pretty good. One guy consistently dealt near to the last card! Usually they are pulling somewhere around thirty cards before the shuffle. And at this point I don't miss the 3:2 so much.
I only had three blackjacks at 6:5 with a total of bets equaling $300.00 (two hundreds and a couple fifty spots) and with a tidy two hour game time (took me four hours of floor time to get these two hours heads up).
So let's see 300 x 6/5 = $360.00
Had that been 3:2?
300 x 3/2 = $450.00 or an extra $110.00 bucks.
However I pulled in a profit of $1462.00 as it was in the two hours of real play time. Granted a handy one came on getting all four split eights on a hundred dollar bet! I pulled in four hundred on that one alone. But adding in the $100.00 bucks the 3:2 would have paid doesn't seem that relevant.
OK 6:5 ain't for everyone. And again, it all depends upon getting the lone dealer. Remember there are several factors involved here that make heads up play desirable even with the short natural pay. Two that i see are:
1. With a heads up situation the dealer doesn't shuffle anywhere near as often than when even one extra player sits down. With the extra player it seems to kill the whole thing. She shuffles near as often as the full table. If I'm lucky I may get three hands dealt but the second player dilutes the good cards.
2. With the dramatic fluctuation in count associated with single deck I'm more likely be in and out quickly. A slight bit of camouflage is all it took and I did it mostly to make myself feel better. Then there is the factor of some other chump sitting down at my table without notice. When this happens I leave immediately or soon after flat betting the table min on that particular deck.
Conclusion:
I haven't had that much fun (as today) since playing heads up at River Rock on a six deck shoe game at 4am a couple years back. All alone at that shoe game, the count rose into near double digits at the 2/3rd show pen and the dealer busted every time! He was pissed though and accused me of counting.
"Who me"?
In fact looking for a good heads up shoe game at 4am could be an option too except that the bet spread fluctuations seem more noticeable to an experienced dealer on a six deck shoe. Which with my luck, seems to be most of the dealers I meet.
But a few sessions at single deck heads up? Well you can't play very long before some chump sits in. And that is the time to leave. So this lessens the opportunity for the dealer or crew to analyze cards skills/play.
It's either that or back count the six deck shoes which isn't all that appealing to me. Either way it takes a bunch of canvassing: To wait for a heads up single deck 6:5 or sit through hours of shoe games waiting for the cards to get hot. Where I went (today) the shoe games have crappy penetration. In fact this is how i made my single deck 6:5 discovery: The need to find a better opportunity.
You may diss this 6:5 idea all you want but it won't change my mind at all. Don't matter to me. I'm gonna take my new girl to the theater tomorrow with a small portion of today's profit.
Crying all the way to the bank.
Now hold that nasty thought for a minute and just observe this.
I made sure to always play heads up. However this is not so easy: Requires a little knowledge of when tables open up. In order to get some quality time alone with the dealer I may have to canvass the lounge often at the nearest Indian casino to find one empty.
And when someone else steps in? Good bye sucker!
BTW it was NDAS, H17 and of course 6:5
The key seems to be getting away with a good sized spread and not much notice from the crew. So the first time I meet a lonely dealer I buy in for about six hundred and bet $100.00 on the first bet. If I win? Great. If not I shrink to $25.00 and then down to $10.00 bucks table minimum if the true count goes below negative 1. Anything over +3 I bet a hundred and at or above +5 I bet between $200.00 and $300.00
Sometimes during the lower counts I may pretend to chase losses by tripling or quadrupling my ten dollar losses but this I do fairly rarely as camouflage. Makes it easier to buy the idea that I'm just an irrational (but lucky) "gambler".
Penetration varies but usually is pretty good. One guy consistently dealt near to the last card! Usually they are pulling somewhere around thirty cards before the shuffle. And at this point I don't miss the 3:2 so much.
I only had three blackjacks at 6:5 with a total of bets equaling $300.00 (two hundreds and a couple fifty spots) and with a tidy two hour game time (took me four hours of floor time to get these two hours heads up).
So let's see 300 x 6/5 = $360.00
Had that been 3:2?
300 x 3/2 = $450.00 or an extra $110.00 bucks.
However I pulled in a profit of $1462.00 as it was in the two hours of real play time. Granted a handy one came on getting all four split eights on a hundred dollar bet! I pulled in four hundred on that one alone. But adding in the $100.00 bucks the 3:2 would have paid doesn't seem that relevant.
OK 6:5 ain't for everyone. And again, it all depends upon getting the lone dealer. Remember there are several factors involved here that make heads up play desirable even with the short natural pay. Two that i see are:
1. With a heads up situation the dealer doesn't shuffle anywhere near as often than when even one extra player sits down. With the extra player it seems to kill the whole thing. She shuffles near as often as the full table. If I'm lucky I may get three hands dealt but the second player dilutes the good cards.
2. With the dramatic fluctuation in count associated with single deck I'm more likely be in and out quickly. A slight bit of camouflage is all it took and I did it mostly to make myself feel better. Then there is the factor of some other chump sitting down at my table without notice. When this happens I leave immediately or soon after flat betting the table min on that particular deck.
Conclusion:
I haven't had that much fun (as today) since playing heads up at River Rock on a six deck shoe game at 4am a couple years back. All alone at that shoe game, the count rose into near double digits at the 2/3rd show pen and the dealer busted every time! He was pissed though and accused me of counting.
"Who me"?
In fact looking for a good heads up shoe game at 4am could be an option too except that the bet spread fluctuations seem more noticeable to an experienced dealer on a six deck shoe. Which with my luck, seems to be most of the dealers I meet.
But a few sessions at single deck heads up? Well you can't play very long before some chump sits in. And that is the time to leave. So this lessens the opportunity for the dealer or crew to analyze cards skills/play.
It's either that or back count the six deck shoes which isn't all that appealing to me. Either way it takes a bunch of canvassing: To wait for a heads up single deck 6:5 or sit through hours of shoe games waiting for the cards to get hot. Where I went (today) the shoe games have crappy penetration. In fact this is how i made my single deck 6:5 discovery: The need to find a better opportunity.
You may diss this 6:5 idea all you want but it won't change my mind at all. Don't matter to me. I'm gonna take my new girl to the theater tomorrow with a small portion of today's profit.
Crying all the way to the bank.
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) I am guessing his average waiting bet or neutral bet $35-$40 making his spread 8-1 ish. Definately not enough to beat this game by counting, even playing heads up. 
