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[forwhat77]

My first post, Just want to say hello all first off!

Well let me start by first saying that I have been practicing well before I had ever seen the previews of the new movie. With that being said I have just started currently shopping on the weekends and have noticed that first base is more to my likings than any other seat. How do the vets feel about that hypothesis? Also how many times is too many times a week? In a fairly sized casino. Thanks all for input...

 

[shadroch]

I play first base as often as possible.
Are you playing with any sort of advantage right now? If you aren't,then you have no worries.98% of casinos won't bother a low roller even if you are playing with a small advantage.

 

[QFIT]

Third base is a bit better in pitch games. See http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration10.htm

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[ChefJJ]

First base is high on my list as well. Third base doesn't bother me either, but I'd take either over in the middle somewhere.

good luck

 

[forwhat77]

I practice the hi lo count..keep up very well, and have basic stategy etched in my memory...although i deviate from it according the count..dealers look at me funny but oh well...I'm still sticking to 10$ tables betting 10-50..going great so far started with 200 and I am up to 900 for this weekend, begginers luck I am contributing to some of it. 6d,DAS,S17,75-90% penetration depending on dealers..

I really would like to thank you all at this board for the knowledge that I have gained over the past 90 days. I have been studying my but off and now I think I am getting the hang of it.. I would wish you all luck but instead I wish you the best skill.

 

[forwhat77]

Third base is a bit better in pitch games. See http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration10.htm

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Thanks for the info..Please do not laugh but I don't know indices yet and am on a daily hunt every day to gain more knowledge of them.

 

[ihate17]

The corners

After playing blackjack for, oh forget how long, I have made the following scientific discovery on the advantages of playing the corner positions on nearly every blackjack table.
1. You have more room for your drink, chips and any other garbage they will let you have on the tables!

2. If it also is a corner table and you are on the outside corner, you will also have more stretch and leg room.

So I go for advantage and want a corner spot.

(p.s. some hole cards can be read from first, very very often you are talking about mid table area and then a sacrifice may need to be made for money over comfort.

ihate17

 

[BJinNJ]

How Can You Deviate from BS...

according to the count, without knowing indices?

BJinNJ

 

[forwhat77]

according to the count, without knowing indices?

BJinNJ

I know, I know thats why I said please don't laugh...It just seems like common sense sometimes, although I know that knowing indices is a must. It's just a b**ch trying to learn them

 

[EasyRhino]

Ouch, careful, just guessing at seemingly reasonable indices may lead to serious play errors (like standing on 14 v 10)

 

[Tom007]

I know, I know thats why I said please don't laugh...It just seems like common sense sometimes, although I know that knowing indices is a must. It's just a b**ch trying to learn them

Do you know perfect BS? are you varying your bets according to your advantage perfectly using half Kelly? If yes to all these Qs then your good to start playing. Remember that most of your advantage comes from your spread,the more indicies you learn the higher the gain. Just don't try to swallow them all at 1 time. Try learning 1 for each trip starting with insurance then 16vs10 The most important thing I learned from this site is NEVER bet more than 1% of your total BR!!!

Cheers

 

[sagefr0g]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BJinNJ
"according to the count, without knowing indices?

BJinNJ "

I know, I know thats why I said please don't laugh...It just seems like common sense sometimes, although I know that knowing indices is a must. It's just a b**ch trying to learn them

no i agree with you. you could probably guess a lot of them......
just better to know what ever ones like I18 for what ever game and spread and then you aren't dealing with all that uncertainty.

 

[Wineburg]

Third base is a bit better in pitch games. See http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration10.htm

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Hi, I looked at the chart above and im somewhat confused. I believe that the chart is trying to say that the 3rd seat is slightly better because AFTER your cards are delt and the people in front of you are done hitting and splitting you now have a slight advantage in the fact that you saw more cards before you made your own decisions (If you are going to hit/split/stand..ext).

But I would think that if you have a high count at the time you would want to be sitting in the first seat because of the better chance of reciving the benifit of the positive count (getting 10s/face cards/Aces).

 

[Sonny]

But I would think that if you have a high count at the time you would want to be sitting in the first seet because of the better chance of reciving the benifit of the positive count (getting 10s/face cards/Aces).

First base does not have a better chance of getting the high cards. Since you don't know what order the cards are in, everyone at the table has the same chances:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=70397

-Sonny-

 

[Wineburg]

First base does not have a better chance of getting the high cards. Since you don't know what order the cards are in, everyone at the table has the same chances:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=70397

-Sonny-

See but isnt that the point of card counting, to know the probability of what the NEXT card is going to be? Like say the true count was plus 6 That means the next card has a better chance of being a high card than if the true count was 0. And say the player in seat one gets a high card (10-A) then that means the second player has less of a chance than the first seat player of getting a high card as well. Its not much of a change in probability but I think it matters.

 

[Sonny]

See but isnt that the point of card counting, to know the probability of what the NEXT card is going to be?

No, the point of card counting is to recognize when the remaining cards as a whole are more favorable to you. A card counter will never know what order the cards are in so he will never know which hand will get the good cards. He only knows that the remaining cards give him an advantage over the house. There will be lots of times when everyone else at the table gets all the good cards that you were expecting and you get stuck with a crappy hand. That’s just how card counting works. You have to play for the long run, but almost anything can happen in the short run.

And say the player in seat one gets a high card (10-A) then that means the second player has less of a chance than the first seat player of getting a high card as well.

Yes, but what if the first player gets a low card? Then the second player has a much better chance of getting a high card. It all evens out. As the link above showed, the probabilities are the same no matter what seat you are in.

-Sonny-

 

[EasyRhino]

The whole purpose is to find out information on other cards before you can DO something, either size bet, or play your hand.

After you've placed the bet, you're just waiting for cards to fall. If the count is high, it is more likely that more high cards are going to be distributed around the table, lowering the count... for the next round. If, however, more low cards come out (going to you or anyone else), then the count is going to increase even more.

However, if you get a look at more cards before you play, that at least gives you more information for playing indices. Not as good as getting the info before betting, but still significant if you're in a single deck game.

But I still prefer playing at a empty or near empty table.

 

[forwhat77]

Ok, I see that my post has grown...I like you guys already, atleast you all welcome newbies..
Well I went to the shop again the night before last night and enjoyed taking home a very small profit after 12 hours of play. (started with buy in of 300 at 12:45 am, lost that bought in with another 100 and walked out with 700 at about 12:30. I did learn that it really doesn't matter where you sit and also that smaller amount of players equals a very good thing.
Damnit, why did this new movie come out? Now I think more dealers are trying to spot counters..I sat at this table through maybe about 10 shoes and the young bad attitude dealer was noticing that my pile was the only one growing and that some times I played table minimum and others jumped up to 25x2. After I left her table mainly because I felt like the odd ball I noticed that she stayed after her shift and talked with the pit boss as they stood no more then 5 ft. away. at my new table, same pit. (only 2 pits open at 4:30 in the morning)
Now I know Im just a wannabe with my small time play but what's the deal with her and the pit watching my small successful game? I had to have excellent cover because when the older gentleman saw me place a bet I was just like, "well hopefully this time I will get something," and I got my butt handed to me because of dealer natural 21. I want to go back tonight it being Thursday and all, but I am a bit uneasy now...Am I just paranoid or is it more to it?....

 

[Kasi]

I believe that the chart is trying to say that the 3rd seat is slightly better because AFTER your cards are delt and the people in front of you are done hitting and splitting you now have a slight advantage in the fact that you saw more cards before you made your own decisions ().

I think that's what he was saying because 3rd base would enjoy seeing more cards than first base at the time he used indexes to make a playing change. Effectively enjoying higher avg pen than 1st base.

But only for index departures, not betting. More important with fewer decks.

 

[bluewhale]

Third base is a bit better in pitch games. See http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration10.htm

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no. the middle seat is in every game the best seat period. this is because it is by FAR the most accessible for taking peoples doubles and splits. in my experience that is far more valuable than the minute gain you get from a 3rd base spot.

that said i only go in the middle given a choice and it is only vaguely in the back of my mind as it is not a huge deal either way.