Are AP`s just advanced ploppies?

[Machinist]

Actually, true gambling begins with a perfectly 50/50 bet. If you don't believe that, try flipping coins or drawing high card for $1,000 a pop (without cheating). Even without the odds stacked against you, your fate still depends on nothing but luck. Do you feel lucky? :grin: (Dirty Harry)[/QUOTE

HUH? Well.... do ya punk???????

:laugh: Mach

 

[aslan]

Actually, true gambling begins with a perfectly 50/50 bet. If you don't believe that, try flipping coins or drawing high card for $1,000 a pop (without cheating). Even without the odds stacked against you, your fate still depends on nothing but luck. Do you feel lucky? :grin: (Dirty Harry)[/QUOTE

HUH? Well.... do ya punk???????

:laugh: Mach

I gots to know.

 

[aslan]

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[Deetz]

Who c rrapped in your wheaties? LOL 3 Posts and this is what you have for this site.
Try reading a little more indepth on this site and you will see ..............
Machinist

Ahhhhhhh - the famous "3 Posts" argument.....

Hopefully, someday, maybe when I get to be a really really big-shot like you based solely on a few hundred post-counts, who knows, maybe even, eventually, with a few hundred posts more than you, I still won't have learned to ask you "Who c rrapped in your Wheaties? LOL 300 posts and this is what you have for this site... etc".

Maybe, by then, unlike you, I will have learned to just address a post on its merits.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

So what derogatory term may we use for AP's who might also, possibly, be even stupider than some of the "TOTAL idiot" ploppies?

How does a perfect BS player who fully realizes he has -EV but also realizes he has almost no chance of losing all of his 300 unit roll over the next 6000 rounds while flat-betting, indeed even realizes it might be 50000 rounds before he has a 50-50 chance of losing his 300 unit starting roll compare to an AP who counts perfectly, uses 100 indexes perfectly, bets the absolute optimal ramp perfectly for what happens to be traditionally considered a very very "good" game, indeed, does play each and every round with an average advantage over the house, yet, apparently, somehow, doesn't seem to realize he might lose those same 300 units over the same 6000 rounds 2 out of 3 times?

I ask who is the greater "TOTAL idiot"?

This is a discussion frequently had here with the new member who says "I understand counting but I only have $500. What should I do?"

The correct answer: Your chances of losing your $500 are very high. Your chances of turning that $500 into $500,000 are very low, but present.

Is he an idiot for chancing losing $500, or is he an idiot for chancing making $500,000? Neither. The risk is what it is, and if he loses, he'll get another $500 someday.

I'd label the latter case something like "utterly idiotic delusional insecure AP, "UIDIAP" for short. The more so since it appears to me their self-worth can only be defined by picking on others whom they perceive to be their inferiors.

Maybe I'll start a thread on whether "ploppies are just innately advanced AP's".

That's a different issue. AP's are both very intelligent and flawed people. Some among us are beyond flawed, outright damaged. The outbursts you describe are both expected and forgivable in this context.

 

[Machinist]

Ahhhhhhh - the famous "3 Posts" argument.....

Hopefully, someday, maybe when I get to be a really really big-shot like you based solely on a few hundred post-counts, who knows, maybe even, eventually, with a few hundred posts more than you, I still won't have learned to ask you "Who c rrapped in your Wheaties? LOL 300 posts and this is what you have for this site... etc".

Maybe, by then, unlike you, I will have learned to just address a post on its merits.

HHmmmmmmm.....no i'm not a big shot.... Sorry if i offended you with the wheaties crap. I havent read all the info on this site either. But i did hang around alot and get to know alot of the good folks on here and let them get to know me.
Get to reading the the stuff on this site.........Its the best site out here....You will have no idea what you are missing if you dont... Join in on a chat session ....all are welcome...

Mach

 

[sagefr0g]

HHmmmmmmm.....no i'm not a big shot.... Sorry if i offended you with the wheaties crap. I havent read all the info on this site either. But i did hang around alot and get to know alot of the good folks on here and let them get to know me.
Get to reading the the stuff on this site.........Its the best site out here....You will have no idea what you are missing if you dont... Join in on a chat session ....all are welcome...

Mach

i wonder if Deetz is gonna read this.
whatever, his writing style reminds me of someone i know.
maybe not, but maybe....... do i know you Deetz, lol. :whip:

 

[beating vegas]

I`m sure I have opened myself for a massive flaming here but so be it.

Let`s start off with AP`s. What is the greatest difference between an AP and a Ploppy. Knowledge we would say.
So lets say a complete blackjack numpty plays with a a 10% edge against him. This is someone who plays by hunches etc.
Our second ploppy is the Basic strategist who now plays perfect strategy( well most of the time....), so we now looking at approx -0.5% (deck dependant)

Then we have our proficient card counter- Who tadadadadadadaadaaaaaa plays at a maximum 4-5 % advantage at extremely high counts,probably only seen for 1 % of the session.

It`s amazing how many times I have watched ploppies betting the max, making numerous strategy mistakes, milking the side bets and generally playing like complete muppets.
Yet the times I have seen them walk out with enormous wins, obviously due to `luck` has been numerous on plenty of occasions.
At the same point, revelling in my own superiority as a counter, I`ve laughed at them, put them down(in my mind) and just considered them general idiots.

Gamblers is the word that comes to mind. But I guess that`s what I am - a ploppy with a 4-5% edge( 1% of the time). Which will make me a winner over x amount of million of hands(theoretically).
Unless I`m on the extreme end of standard deviation.

At the end of the day I am convinced it is luck that will make or break me( Why can`t I be the one who has that 100 session upswing?- illogical of course.)

Because I will not play 1 million hands or more.

As an `AP` I`v e sat at BJ tables for about 500 hours. Not much many would say- and not nearly enough to establish hourly winrate etc. I`ve played a solid hi-lo count with 40 indexes. Wooooopeeeeee Dooooo.

And I`ve made 250 units( happy about that)
But why do we always curse when the `ploppies` win unlikely bets ,massive odds on PP side bets they should`nt be playing but the Blackjack Gods smile upon them, as they walk out the casino with their magnificent winnings.

They are gambling idiots we say, But are we not all gambling idiots with a 4-5% advantage?

Everytime I put my max bet out on a high count, I have still roughly a 50% chance that I will lose it.

So yes I guess I am just an advanced ploppy(with a edge):joker:

there are alot of other facters to concern if your just a basic stragey player and can count you have very little advantage how ever there are some aps here that have remakable skills and also know were the best game is

 

[tezzadiver]

Maybe you should read all the posts first.:laugh:

 

[Deetz]

... Sorry if i offended you with the wheaties crap... Mach

All I wanted to hear. Thank you for expressing that. Makes me feel much better.

As long as this site has people "big-enuf" to do what you did, express what you did and how you felt, I'm OK with that.

And I must apologise to you for my "big-shot" comment. Obviously you have proved you are far from that.

Now I have to ask myself why I appear to even myself to be the very person I accused you of being. And self-flagelate myself accordingly.

So I hope you accept my apology too.

FORGIVEN - let's never talk about it again. Someone should make an HBO series out of that.

 

[Machinist]

All I wanted to hear. Thank you for expressing that. Makes me feel much better.

As long as this site has people "big-enuf" to do what you did, express what you did and how you felt, I'm OK with that.

And I must apologise to you for my "big-shot" comment. Obviously you have proved you are far from that.

Now I have to ask myself why I appear to even myself to be the very person I accused you of being. And self-flagelate myself accordingly.

So I hope you accept my apology too.

FORGIVEN - let's never talk about it again. Someone should make an HBO series out of that.

We're Cool.... no prob...

Machinist

 

[Deetz]

:laugh::laugh::1st:CP
"Originally Posted by Machinist
Who c rrapped in your wheaties? LOL 3 Posts and this is what you have for this site.
Try reading a little more indepth on this site and you will see ..............
Machinist"

Glad you so much enjoyed Machinist's comment for which he has since apologised. And, btw, that's all in the past now as far as I'm concerned.

But, truly, an incredibly revealing and responsive post on it's merits, btw, to the issue at hand, very very really really Creepy Panther. And all without a single written word, apparently only capable of letting a series of derisive emoticons speak for you.

Any chance you have anything more, other than the most miniscule of an informed opinion, to offer to the issue at hand other than ego, arrogance and/or ignorance?

I've read enough posts on this site to know who you actually are, cowering behind your brave public persona and banned for your inner-self you can't conceal.

Do you think you owe me an apology? Or not?

 

[Deetz]

We're Cool.... no prob...

Machinist

Bet your sweet as# we are.

 

[Deetz]

i wonder if Deetz is gonna read this.
whatever, his writing style reminds me of someone i know.
maybe not, but maybe....... do i know you Deetz, lol. :whip:

Yeah I read it.

You g**d*** sunovabit** mutha *ucka wat the f*** u way stupider frog than most frogs.

Really, what guy would be named "Deetz". Obviously, you really one really really stupid frog.

C'mon - I've only made 3 or 4 really idiotic posts over a longish time and you want to suddenly assume I resemble some jerk because of some writing style?

You'll need alot more than that. Put your talents to use and go investigate some cold cases in Ohio or Indiana or something. Or become some FBI profiler or something. End up on ID Discovery channel or something.

You are one really f*****g Freaky Frog.

Read alot here.

That's how I know to say hi to [name removed] for me.

 

[Sonny]

I think a one week barring is justified here.

-Sonny-

 

[sagefr0g]

Yeah I read it.

You g**d*** sunovabit** mutha *ucka wat the f*** u way stupider frog than most frogs.

Really, what guy would be named "Deetz". Obviously, you really one really really stupid frog.

C'mon - I've only made 3 or 4 really idiotic posts over a longish time and you want to suddenly assume I resemble some jerk because of some writing style?

You'll need alot more than that. Put your talents to use and go investigate some cold cases in Ohio or Indiana or something. Or become some FBI profiler or something. End up on ID Discovery channel or something.

You are one really f*****g Freaky Frog.

Read alot here.

That's how I know to say hi to [name removed] for me.

obviously i've some how offended you. i did not mean to do so.
maybe i guess i'll ban myself for a while, perhaps for good.
regardless i want to thank all who run this site and all who have helped me with AP stuff and i hope to be able to keep in touch with all the great friends that i have from this site.

 

[jack.jackson]

obviously i've some how offended you. i did not mean to do so.
maybe i guess i'll ban myself for a while, perhaps for good.
regardless i want to thank all who run this site and all who have helped me with AP stuff and i hope to be able to keep in touch with all the great friends that i have from this site.

Sometimes a break is needed. But taking a permanent break, is irrelevant. People inadvertantly offend others all the time. You should'nt punish yourself for something that was un-intentional. See ya soon, Mr Green.

 

[sagefr0g]

Sometimes a break is needed. But taking a permanent break, is irrelevant. People inadvertantly offend others all the time. You should'nt punish yourself for something that was un-intentional. See ya soon, Mr Green.

you are right jj.
i still read stuff, obviously.
probably just chill for a while, is all.

 

[Machinist]

you are right jj.
i still read stuff, obviously.
probably just chill for a while, is all.

Relax ...kick back...take a break...Spend some money...all work no play?,,,,,,,,,,

Machinist