Article in Santa Barbara News Press
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Abraham de Moivre
Well-Known Member
A Who's Who of Vegas?
The Horseshoe, El Cortez, Western, Four Queens, Las Vegas Club, Circus Circus, Flamingo?
Why didn't they most of the dumps in Vegas? LOL.
You think some one should point out that since the State of California gives these tribes a license to steal (I know, soverign country and all that) but still the State has to cooperate, who are they to not allow law abiding citizens not to play?
The Horseshoe, El Cortez, Western, Four Queens, Las Vegas Club, Circus Circus, Flamingo?
Why didn't they most of the dumps in Vegas? LOL.
You think some one should point out that since the State of California gives these tribes a license to steal (I know, soverign country and all that) but still the State has to cooperate, who are they to not allow law abiding citizens not to play?
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The following was sent to me via private email as a response to
the article -- I contacted the sender and got permission to post
his comments anonymously here.
A word about this person. He is a knowledgeable about this particular
subject matter as anyone I know, and what he has to say should be
taken in and considered carefully.
-Mayor
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All publicity for the proficient community is good and most needed
..and this article is what is needed more of...
But ........
The State Officer, Keith Copher Nevada Gaming Control Board ,
Chief Enforcement Officer ( nice officious title) has to be rebutted...the
casinos do not have a " right" to do anything to the people of a state that
granted them the right to exist and peddle their wares - which is
gambling...not just a fixed and rigged game for unknowing people who chose
to play it...
for all of the people of the state..should they choose..have the
constitutional right to become proficient players
Just because the casinos possibly post a sign saying they have a right does
not give them that right - the state - the people - grant rights to this
industry
Mr. Cipher is undoubtedly some official with a law enforcement background
of some type -possibly politically appointed to his position - rather than
by knowledge and merit - who certainly is no "rocket scientist " stating -
peoples rights and would probably have a most difficult time stating what
the first ten amendments to the US constitution were and if he read them
not - knowing what they were - might consider same a subversive document -
"The Bill of Rights"
Mr. Copher is a state authority bellowing the casino line...that the casino
industry has the right to do anything they want...
which they do not
It would be akin to Firestone Tire Company stating they had the right to
sell defective tires and General Motors and the auto industry - the right
to sell defective cars...
Who in the state gave this right that the casinos claim historically?
starting in Nevada the first STATE legalized gambling entity
Nelson Rose comments and - I believe he is wrong -
that each state has laws relative to " card counters" -a word I
despise...because the casino public relations has done well in making the
words synominize with " hookers" " cheats" or " "derelicts"... criminals...
etc.
Each state - as gambling proliferates -
might have unwritten policy and possibly even written - but I doubt it
I would appreciate Nelson showing me the laws specifically against a citizen
using his brain...
but possibly they exist...I doubt it
Nelson is right when he says that the state can say they ( the casinos ) do
not have the right in compact to kick people off their lands...
but the point has never been politically lobbied nor legally carried forth
by the barristers...
When you garnered this kind of newspaper space Eliot...
It is great...use it wisely, Professor
The point must be proselytized - that a proficient player is not a threat
to casino making money...that their are only a small amount of proficient
players..and most of them are not that proficient..and even if they were -
would not choose to spend forty to sixty hours in a casino just playing
Blackjack for a living
"To get involved in the gaming business is a privilege - not a right" and
"Your going to be regulated strongly by the state..."
said Frank Fahrenkoph..a very sharp and intelligent guy..very knowledgeable
...very good at what he does
When you state in an article that they ( the casinos) have a right to keep
you out of there - that you are a danger every time you walk through the
door....
You are assisting the casino industry in the myth that proficient players
are in fact a danger...which they are not - to a multi billion dollar
industry that is fast burgeoning across the country...
If casinos want to offer a game to the people of a state - for the people
are the state - they do not have " the right" to pick and choose who they
will offer that game to
...based upon individuals proficiency or lack thereof..
If the casinos want to offer the gambling product ...the casinos then must
offer to all... of the people...of the state...that gave the industry the
privilege to offer the gambling - and gambling is not a game - or gaming - a
word the casinos public relations developed - to begin with
the casinos should not be allowed to alter the way Blackjack is played...
to give the casinos a " rigged " advantage in a gamble between parties
The casinos should be allowed to alter the amount wagered as long as that
amount is uniform to people of the state..this then controls a " bottom
line"
======================================================================
The following was sent to me via private email as a response to
the article -- I contacted the sender and got permission to post
his comments anonymously here.
A word about this person. He is a knowledgeable about this particular
subject matter as anyone I know, and what he has to say should be
taken in and considered carefully.
-Mayor
======================================================================
All publicity for the proficient community is good and most needed
..and this article is what is needed more of...
But ........
The State Officer, Keith Copher Nevada Gaming Control Board ,
Chief Enforcement Officer ( nice officious title) has to be rebutted...the
casinos do not have a " right" to do anything to the people of a state that
granted them the right to exist and peddle their wares - which is
gambling...not just a fixed and rigged game for unknowing people who chose
to play it...
for all of the people of the state..should they choose..have the
constitutional right to become proficient players
Just because the casinos possibly post a sign saying they have a right does
not give them that right - the state - the people - grant rights to this
industry
Mr. Cipher is undoubtedly some official with a law enforcement background
of some type -possibly politically appointed to his position - rather than
by knowledge and merit - who certainly is no "rocket scientist " stating -
peoples rights and would probably have a most difficult time stating what
the first ten amendments to the US constitution were and if he read them
not - knowing what they were - might consider same a subversive document -
"The Bill of Rights"
Mr. Copher is a state authority bellowing the casino line...that the casino
industry has the right to do anything they want...
which they do not
It would be akin to Firestone Tire Company stating they had the right to
sell defective tires and General Motors and the auto industry - the right
to sell defective cars...
Who in the state gave this right that the casinos claim historically?
starting in Nevada the first STATE legalized gambling entity
Nelson Rose comments and - I believe he is wrong -
that each state has laws relative to " card counters" -a word I
despise...because the casino public relations has done well in making the
words synominize with " hookers" " cheats" or " "derelicts"... criminals...
etc.
Each state - as gambling proliferates -
might have unwritten policy and possibly even written - but I doubt it
I would appreciate Nelson showing me the laws specifically against a citizen
using his brain...
but possibly they exist...I doubt it
Nelson is right when he says that the state can say they ( the casinos ) do
not have the right in compact to kick people off their lands...
but the point has never been politically lobbied nor legally carried forth
by the barristers...
When you garnered this kind of newspaper space Eliot...
It is great...use it wisely, Professor
The point must be proselytized - that a proficient player is not a threat
to casino making money...that their are only a small amount of proficient
players..and most of them are not that proficient..and even if they were -
would not choose to spend forty to sixty hours in a casino just playing
Blackjack for a living
"To get involved in the gaming business is a privilege - not a right" and
"Your going to be regulated strongly by the state..."
said Frank Fahrenkoph..a very sharp and intelligent guy..very knowledgeable
...very good at what he does
When you state in an article that they ( the casinos) have a right to keep
you out of there - that you are a danger every time you walk through the
door....
You are assisting the casino industry in the myth that proficient players
are in fact a danger...which they are not - to a multi billion dollar
industry that is fast burgeoning across the country...
If casinos want to offer a game to the people of a state - for the people
are the state - they do not have " the right" to pick and choose who they
will offer that game to
...based upon individuals proficiency or lack thereof..
If the casinos want to offer the gambling product ...the casinos then must
offer to all... of the people...of the state...that gave the industry the
privilege to offer the gambling - and gambling is not a game - or gaming - a
word the casinos public relations developed - to begin with
the casinos should not be allowed to alter the way Blackjack is played...
to give the casinos a " rigged " advantage in a gamble between parties
The casinos should be allowed to alter the amount wagered as long as that
amount is uniform to people of the state..this then controls a " bottom
line"
Re: Here is the real question??????
I know they stated (on many occassions) that I couldn't come within 6 feet of a BJ table, but I don't recall such a rule for the other table games.
As for my having a way to be C.S. ... that's a good one for you to think about.
--Mayor
I know they stated (on many occassions) that I couldn't come within 6 feet of a BJ table, but I don't recall such a rule for the other table games.
As for my having a way to be C.S. ... that's a good one for you to think about.
--Mayor
Re: Here is the real question??????
Since you are given knowledge of one of the dealer's cards, I would think that the only way to get at least close to an advantage in that game would be with team play and that probably would get you into trouble. If for instance you knew the cards of two other players, you now know 16 cards instead of 6. Perhaps you would even need more than two partners. To me it is a game that I play sometimes just to give my brain a rest after a long BJ session.
I know in their old set up at Chumash, an end of the stud table was probably less than 6 feet from the closest BJ table. Don't remember in the new casino but perhaps they got you on a technicality.
Victoria
Since you are given knowledge of one of the dealer's cards, I would think that the only way to get at least close to an advantage in that game would be with team play and that probably would get you into trouble. If for instance you knew the cards of two other players, you now know 16 cards instead of 6. Perhaps you would even need more than two partners. To me it is a game that I play sometimes just to give my brain a rest after a long BJ session.
I know in their old set up at Chumash, an end of the stud table was probably less than 6 feet from the closest BJ table. Don't remember in the new casino but perhaps they got you on a technicality.
Victoria
Sonny
Well-Known Member
Re: CA or AC?
> Nelson is right when he says that the state can say they ( the casinos ) do
> not have the right in compact to kick people off their lands...
> but the point has never been politically lobbied nor legally carried forth
> by the barristers...
It sounds like CA might turn into AC!
-Sonny-
> Nelson is right when he says that the state can say they ( the casinos ) do
> not have the right in compact to kick people off their lands...
> but the point has never been politically lobbied nor legally carried forth
> by the barristers...
It sounds like CA might turn into AC!
-Sonny-
FLA Player
Member
Re: Awesome article
Great article and great comments Mayor... look forward to taking some money from the evil empire with you and LTC in Vegas sometime
FLA Player
Great article and great comments Mayor... look forward to taking some money from the evil empire with you and LTC in Vegas sometime
FLA Player
Stealth Bomber
Well-Known Member
Re: The Chumasch
Mayor, they should now pay you to come back to sign autographs. If they didn't have such "pea brains", they would have you come back and play sometimes. Maybe even with a few restrictions. Hey, if I was runnin' the show, I'd figure a way to use your celleb status to draw in more business. Such stupid people. They can't see the forest, 'cause the trees are in the way.
Put a feather in your cap ol' Buddy.
Wow! I think I've been watching too much Dr. Phil. :-(
Stealth
Mayor, they should now pay you to come back to sign autographs. If they didn't have such "pea brains", they would have you come back and play sometimes. Maybe even with a few restrictions. Hey, if I was runnin' the show, I'd figure a way to use your celleb status to draw in more business. Such stupid people. They can't see the forest, 'cause the trees are in the way.
Put a feather in your cap ol' Buddy.
Wow! I think I've been watching too much Dr. Phil. :-(
Stealth
Re: The Chumasch
Last time I was there I had a good session. It was the first time I had been there since their new casino opened. Played about 6 hours of BJ, watched hosts, or whatever they call them, offer most of the other players at the $25 table their club card. I probably would have refused, but with an average bet over $100, I never was approached. Had to make me think, why! Perhaps because most of the others were loosing and I was doing well? Did they suspect me of being a counter? If it had been Vegas I know some floorman would have asked.
Still a strange place to me and I still want to see them break out some new decks just once. Perhaps they should hire The Mayor as a consultant.
Victoria
Last time I was there I had a good session. It was the first time I had been there since their new casino opened. Played about 6 hours of BJ, watched hosts, or whatever they call them, offer most of the other players at the $25 table their club card. I probably would have refused, but with an average bet over $100, I never was approached. Had to make me think, why! Perhaps because most of the others were loosing and I was doing well? Did they suspect me of being a counter? If it had been Vegas I know some floorman would have asked.
Still a strange place to me and I still want to see them break out some new decks just once. Perhaps they should hire The Mayor as a consultant.
Victoria
learning to count
Well-Known Member
My only concern with this article is that his honor the Mayor could become the sacrificial lamb for Card Counters rights. We may may never be protected and the Mayor will never be allowed to play. I could not sustain so much notariety I want to keep taking the Casino's profits for my greedy self. Even so it was a kick A$$ article and it reveals the truth about the EVIL Casino Empire! Dont worry Mayor I will watch your back!
Stealth Bomber
Well-Known Member
Becoming the "sacrificial lamb" may have its advantages for The Mayor. The bright side is that he now has an even better opportunity to start a comprehensive BJ training center with different courses for all levels of play. There are a lot of people that would like to know what The Mayor knows.
Beam me up Mayor! I'll be the first to sign up. I'll take some training in ........ "Advanced Pro Level BJ 101" ....... Wow! How coooool. Droves of people showing up for class, incognito. No cameras allowed!
Stealth
Beam me up Mayor! I'll be the first to sign up. I'll take some training in ........ "Advanced Pro Level BJ 101" ....... Wow! How coooool. Droves of people showing up for class, incognito. No cameras allowed!
Stealth
Re: Article i would have added
Mayor I would have mentioned that the casinos
get very worried when players bet the minimum and then
move up their bets at least a 10 fold;then more players
will try this and it will act as a cover play for us
players. If more players move up and down their bets
then this will be the normal thus the pit will be more confused.
Mayor I would have mentioned that the casinos
get very worried when players bet the minimum and then
move up their bets at least a 10 fold;then more players
will try this and it will act as a cover play for us
players. If more players move up and down their bets
then this will be the normal thus the pit will be more confused.
Other's comments
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I think several posters are missing the point that I did not write the article, nor did I have editorial control over its content, nor did I view it before it was published, nor did I have any idea what slant the author would take before it was published.
I agreed to be interviewed, that's all. The interview was almost 2 hours long, I said a lot of things -- the author chose a couple of quotes from that, and a couple of quotes from other places, to give the article the slant she wanted. No amount of "please say this in the article" had any effect.
I think the author did a great job saying what she wanted to say.
--Mayor
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I think several posters are missing the point that I did not write the article, nor did I have editorial control over its content, nor did I view it before it was published, nor did I have any idea what slant the author would take before it was published.
I agreed to be interviewed, that's all. The interview was almost 2 hours long, I said a lot of things -- the author chose a couple of quotes from that, and a couple of quotes from other places, to give the article the slant she wanted. No amount of "please say this in the article" had any effect.
I think the author did a great job saying what she wanted to say.
--Mayor
learning to count
Well-Known Member
Re: Article i would have added
The casinos don't care what your bets are. They are more worried if you win or not! If you get heat for a five to fifty dollar bet then dont play at that time at that casino. They are morons if they sweat any action under $100! Play at another shift or even at another casino.
The casinos don't care what your bets are. They are more worried if you win or not! If you get heat for a five to fifty dollar bet then dont play at that time at that casino. They are morons if they sweat any action under $100! Play at another shift or even at another casino.
wrongo learning
they donot care so much if you arewinning I have personally
got the boot from many casinos and I was lossing at the time.
Its not the so called bet size,every casino,pit boss has different
paranoia levels. Same with the bet range different with all the
casinos.
they donot care so much if you arewinning I have personally
got the boot from many casinos and I was lossing at the time.
Its not the so called bet size,every casino,pit boss has different
paranoia levels. Same with the bet range different with all the
casinos.
learning to count
Well-Known Member
Re: wrongo learning
Like I said don't play at that shift or even at that casino. Sounds like your playing at $h!t holes low limit joints. F#ck em they are not worth your talents!
Like I said don't play at that shift or even at that casino. Sounds like your playing at $h!t holes low limit joints. F#ck em they are not worth your talents!
Stealth Bomber
Well-Known Member
Eye For An Eye, Tooth For A Tooth
I don't think any casino should have a right to take picture of a patron without their knowledge/consent and then make it available to the public or news media unless they have proof that an illegal act was committed. We don't get to take pictures of them and all the unethical crap they pull, let alone get it put into the news. ???
Stealth
I don't think any casino should have a right to take picture of a patron without their knowledge/consent and then make it available to the public or news media unless they have proof that an illegal act was committed. We don't get to take pictures of them and all the unethical crap they pull, let alone get it put into the news. ???
Stealth
Rob McGarvey
Well-Known Member
Re: Here is the real question??????
You are on the right track. Team play with a progresive jackpot that has made the game posi EV.
You are on the right track. Team play with a progresive jackpot that has made the game posi EV.