Article in Santa Barbara News Press

[Sonny]

Re: Eye For An Eye, Tooth For A Tooth

> I don't think any casino should have a right to take picture of a patron
> without their knowledge/consent and then make it available to the public or
> news media...

Here in Los Angeles you need to get a formal release form signed by the person AND the photographer/company just to be in the BACKGROUND of a movie. I think that casinos should follow the same procedure. "Excuse me, sir. Would you sign this photograph release form so that we can include you photo in the Griffin Book? Smile!"

> We don't get to take pictures of them and all the unethical crap they pull,
> let alone get it put into the news. ???

Hell, I can't even take a picture of MYSELF in their casinos! Nobody is allowed to photograph ANYTHING...except them. They can photograph whatever they want whenever they want. There must be some kind of law they're breaking!

-Sonny-

 

[Stealth Bomber]

Re: Eye For An Eye, Tooth For A Tooth

I consider the article re The Mayor/Chumash to result in an indirect form of "defamation of character". However, given it originates from a tribal gaming group, I remind everyone about the issue of "Sovereign Immunity". Until the tribal casinos can be actually challenged in a fair court of law rather than their own kangaroo court, might as well just call Ghost Busters.

LTC, we need you in on this one.

Stealth

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Turn the Other Cheek

If there is a law, it would take a lawyer or team of them to pick it up. Then there would have to be an advantage for them to push it, take it to the limit. There really isn't one. If you think your individual freedoms are in question, you don't have to look farther than your own front yard, your drinking water, or your childrens school, let alone walking onto another mans property (that means casino too) and think he can't take your picture while you play cards.

 

[SammyBoy]

Mayor, Maybe You Should Get on the List for Face Transplants

 

[learning to count]

Re: Eye For An Eye, Tooth For A Tooth

""I consider the article re The Mayor/Chumash to result in an indirect form of "defamation of character".""

How did the article defame his character????? All it did is tell the truth about the evil casino! If anything it critisizes the casino's paranoia.

"" However, given it originates from a tribal gaming group, I remind everyone about the issue of "Sovereign Immunity". Until the tribal casinos can be actually challenged in a fair court of law rather than their own kangaroo court, might as well just call Ghost Busters.""

Its the law and after what the american indian has been through well I feel they deserve thier Sovereignity! They can do what they want even as far as cheating. That as I have said before that is why I don,t play there! They will offer enough of the gambling experience to draw in the suckers and thats all!

""LTC, we need you in on this one.""

""Stealth""

Well you have my oppinion! Its not a witty one but its my honest oppinion. LTC

 

[Victoria]

Do they cheat?

LTC

Want to know. Win or loose I have always felt strange at the Chumash. Do they cheat? And how?
Victoria

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Re: Mayor, Maybe You Should Get on the List for Face Transplants

Did you see Nov Pop Mechanics mag? Had a great article on that.

 

[Stealth Bomber]

Re: Eye For An Eye, Tooth For A Tooth

Thanks LTC, but I think we have some differences on Indian Gaming issues. Maybe I'll try and convert you: ;-)

>How did the article defame his character????? All it did is tell the truth about the evil casino! If anything it criticizes the casino's paranoia.

Ya, I realize that. Maybe "defamation of character" is not the right choice of words. I did say "indirectly" though. It still just doesn't seem right to me that we do not have the right to take pictures of them in their compromising moment and post it in a location where many people will see it. They even did it sort of "Post Office Style", meaning that the Mayor is made to look like as if he did something criminal. They also know it affects his right to play at other casinos. Dirty pool!? Why didn't they just tell him to leave without all the grandeur?

>Its the law and after what the american indian has been through well I feel they deserve thier Sovereignity! They can do what they want even as far as cheating. That as I have said before that is why I don,t play there! They will offer enough of the gambling experience to draw in the suckers and thats all!

Well, I personally think the law is f'ed up. Maybe our U S Government needs to be accountable. As for what the historical NATIVE Indians went through; that was then and now is now. Everyone that was involved in what happened in the past is gone. When I came into this world, all that stuff was long since passed. I have never done anything to deserve any indebtedness to them. Therefore, I feel I came in owing them nothing. I will go out that way. As for cheating and unethical actions, I will always be an advocate for accountability and fair gaming within the human race. The Indians are still human since I last checked. I do respect that other people feel differently than I in this regard. However, I have a question for all to ponder: How long shall people, other than myself, feel that they owe a "free for all" world to the tribal gaming Indians? 10 more years? ... 50? .... 427?.......for ever?

Responses welcomed.

Stealth

 

[Stealth Bomber]

Don't turn the other cheek you guys!

At least the water agencies, utilities, school boards, etc. have to be accountable and are subject to claims from lawsuits. Therefore, for the most part, we can count on them to try there best to do things right.

Mayor I'm tryin', I'm tryin' hard here. Ugh Ugh

Stealth

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Re: Don't turn the other cheek you guys!

Have another glass of water and call me in the morning.....

if you wake up! smile

 

[learning to count]

Philosophically your right but...

they have the law on their side. So realistically your dead wrong Stealthy! Like I said they are evil a$$holes who only care about making money. They are evil because they lie about what they are offering. I guess it's like cigarette companies who lied about what cigarettes did to you; all those hundreds of thousands of lung cancer deaths ago. Offering a game that has one purpose: to addict the suckers and gambling degenerates and hold them until they lose it all. No one wins by gambling. The biggest stomach churner is when the degenerate loses a bundle and then cover's up their vice by saying it was entertainment. This is part of the lie! Like "smoking a cigarette will make you feel better or sexy". ....and finally "dont play at a casino where it is possible to cheat you and their are no gambling laws to stop this"!

 

[SammyBoy]

No, Heard about it on the radio

 

[learning to count]

Re: Do they cheat?

Since there are no laws to regulate indian casinos. They have a free hand to do what they want. They offer competetive type games that are equal to gaming conditions in Las Vegasin order to attract the gabler. If a person wants to play there that is their right to do so. Since there are no gaming regulations and laws then the possibility to CHEAT is there. If the Nevada establishments are able to get away with what they do:selective barrings, illegal searches, illegal detainments, passing financiel and personal identification info around, illegal arrests, lying on arrests afidavits, picking and choosing the rules to a game, preferential shuffling, stopping a game in progress and kicking you out, etc etc.....the list goeson. Whats to stop these casino's! Now as far as cheating; using a card mechanic, loading the deck etc...who knows? I have no proof but I have had my suspicion's! All I am saying is the possibility to change the game in the houses favor is readily available at these Casinos. As far as pointing out distinct examples sorry no can do. The barring of the Mayor was legal and logical. The casino is paranoid and see's him as a threat to their greed/profits. I would bar him too. Such a skilled player could cause some damage with the right bankroll. Card counting is similar to espionage/war. Its dangerous at high stakes. You dont have a problem Vicky. the dealers are too busy trying to get your phone number to worry about your grinding away at their chip tray. LTC

 

[Victoria]

Gut feeling

LTC
I know or understand everything you wrote. I agree that heat there for me has been non existant. I have had great and horrid sessions there, but that is the nature of what we do. Call it intuition, gut instinct or the fact that it is the only Indian casino I ever played in, I just get this feeling and it causes me to just not want to go back often. Perhaps even with all that is wrong with the houses in Vegas, I have a this feeling of honesty (perhaps the wrong word) in their game because of controls and competition next door. One thing for certain, there are enough people out there who will play bad games when no good games are nearby.
Since work and family limit my vegas trips to about three a year, I will resign myself to the position of being a modest advantage player.
Victoria

 

[learning to count]

Re: Gut feeling

No problemo Victoria. I understand. I get to Vegas 4 times a year. I practice on my off time and haunt the websites. I just will not play at those establishments. I have played on many of the cruise ships and have seen suspicious play there as well. Just keep in mind that you have to play brilliantly to do this thing we do. See your in the pits! : )