ASMs

[blackchipjim]

asms randomness

The randomness concerning asms are just that random. They are preset to shuffle for a specific time with specific parameters set within it's program. For example how many times have you had to wait for a asm to be ready to put the cards into play? This is beyond my math skills but reading a few articles on the non-randomness of randomeness will give even the math impaired a better understanding of how the asms work. I have detected in my playing sessions that there are certain quirks in the asms.

 

[moo321]

Wait this casinos has been fined for shorting the shoes before? Now I actually am suspicious. I'd say there's a halfway decent chance (10%?) something could be up here. Don't panic yet, but I'd start doing research.

 

[tribute]

No. If NOT counting and betting with an advantage it makes no difference whether its CSM or hand shuffled or computer shuffled, the player disadvantage is always the same on every hand just as if each hand were "off the top".

Wait a minute. Even if I am not counting, and the remaining decks are rich in tens, I should have more of an advantage. I just don't REALIZE or KNOW that I have the advantage. A counter acts on that information and increases the bet amount. So as the shoe is played out, the advantage (or disadvantage) fluctuates from start to finish of the shoe, based on the flow of the cards. I am thinking the 0.44% HA I mentioned above actually goes up and down during play based on how lean or rich the remaining cards happen to be at a particular time.

So, results with a CSM cannot be measured the same since most of the cards remain in play at all times.

 

[moo321]

Wait a minute. Even if I am not counting, and the remaining decks are rich in tens, I should have more of an advantage. I just don't REALIZE or KNOW that I have the advantage. A counter acts on that information and increases the bet amount. So as the shoe is played out, the advantage (or disadvantage) fluctuates from start to finish of the shoe, based on the flow of the cards. I am thinking the 0.44% HA I mentioned above actually goes up and down during play based on how lean or rich the remaining cards happen to be at a particular time.

So, results with a CSM cannot be measured the same since most of the cards remain in play at all times.

As a practical issue, I don't believe this is actually how it works. Apparently, cards take awhile to cycle back to the front of a CSM...

 

[ohbehave]

Wait a minute. Even if I am not counting, and the remaining decks are rich in tens, I should have more of an advantage. I just don't REALIZE or KNOW that I have the advantage. A counter acts on that information and increases the bet amount. So as the shoe is played out, the advantage (or disadvantage) fluctuates from start to finish of the shoe, based on the flow of the cards. I am thinking the 0.44% HA I mentioned above actually goes up and down during play based on how lean or rich the remaining cards happen to be at a particular time.

So, results with a CSM cannot be measured the same since most of the cards remain in play at all times.

Certainly, yes, the adv/disadv fluctuates over the course of the shoe but on average it will be the house advantage for the particular rules. The rules determine the house advantage.

But yes the CSM is the same. Each shuffle reorganizes the cards and "sets" a new player adv/disadv for the next round(s). Some rounds will be in the player favor, some not. And, on average, the same as a hand shuffled or ASM shuffled or 52-card pickup the house advantage stays the same, for the rules of that particular game. The counter just can't take advantage of positive counts for a CSM the way he can ASM or hand-shuffled due to shallow penetration.

 

[tribute]

Certainly, yes, the adv/disadv fluctuates over the course of the shoe but on average it will be the house advantage for the particular rules. The rules determine the house advantage.

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Earlier you stated, "the player disadvantage is always the same on every hand"...!

That point is what I am making the issue about. Your statements seem to be conflicting.

My main question in this thread really is about the house advantage percentages shown for each game or rule set. Does the % shown represent an average for the whole shoe or does it apply only for the first hand dealt off the top?

 

[blackchipjim]

What?

Is this thread about asms or csms? It seems to have drifted to csms but started with the asms.

 

[ohbehave]

Sorry for the confusion. I meant on average since the non counter isn't aware of what the advantage is it's the same as every hand being a disadvantage (whatever the house advantage is) in the long run.

Off the top... to answer your question.

 

[tribute]

Is this thread about asms or csms? It seems to have drifted to csms but started with the asms.

Right. I strayed off topic. Will take my subject to a new thread.