Atlantic City hotels and games

[MAZ]

TP hasn't been a good place to play BJ in years. They don't have good pen. Same for Tropicana.

Heres a little tip, the worse the pen gets at the Trop the better their game gets.

 

[creeping panther]

Tip

Heres a little tip, the worse the pen gets at the Trop the better their game gets.

Now there is some valuable info.

CP

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Heres a little tip, the worse the pen gets at the Trop the better their game gets.

I know the direction you're going in, but the methods I use to exploit it are helped by deep pen just like counting.

 

[MAZ]

I know the direction you're going in, but the methods I use to exploit it are helped by deep pen just like counting.

yeah, I don't think we're on the same page here.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

I know the direction you're going in, but the methods I use to exploit it are helped by deep pen just like counting.

I both agree and disagree, it depends on the situation.

 

[MAZ]

Alright I'll drop more bread crumbs for ya. If you can play this game solo or with a friend at the table with you, its not a matter if you will win but how much. There are certain variables you will need to figure out yourself to get playing conditions optimal, but its all very doable. Thats it, easy as that, now go get em.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Yes, heads up is an extremely valuable weapon here..... if you can get to an empty table, you've already won.

 

[Deleted member 3798]

Losing businesses

All now 8 decks but still with NMSE on a $25 Min. table. To do this just as AC casinos are mulling over not enough business at the blackjack tables so considering shutting down table games from 4AM until NOON "across the board"? That is as brilliant as being in competition with another local retailer and their sales are a good bit higher than yours, so you jack up your prices to make DAMN SURE you turn away MORE business than before.

There are other 6 deck games in AC and naturally people that enjoy playing 6 decks will actively seek them out and Trump Plaza will lose business. Stupidity will insure that they will take a long time to figure that out (if that's POSSIBLE for them to figure it out) and they will send people playing elsewhere just as Harrah's casinos have.
I wish I could be a casino executive. You know why?--- Because I could be a complete bumbling idiot that makes horrific decisions that cost the company money and STILL make the BIG BUCKS!

Losing businesses? Ditto that to your comments. Screwing customers will drive them to other AC casinos---or to Pennsylvania casinos. AC casinos are not the only games in town any more. AC management has falsely blamed "depression" as the reason for 15% drop in revenues. Hell---Pennsylvania casinos' revenues have increased 18%---PA gets no depression, right? Hey AC management, look at the graph below and WAKE UP!

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Yes, heads up is an extremely valuable weapon here..... if you can get to an empty table, you've already won.

No such thing in AP.

Generally I avoid techniques that depend on the presence or the behavior of any other player at the table. Looking for empty tables in AC is folly, you might get one shoe a day like that, compared to other methods where you can beat on them all day at a full table.

The best part about playing with a table full of AP's in any game is speed.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

All now 8 decks but still with NMSE on a $25 Min. table. To do this just as AC casinos are mulling over not enough business at the blackjack tables so considering shutting down table games from 4AM until NOON "across the board"? That is as brilliant as being in competition with another local retailer and their sales are a good bit higher than yours, so you jack up your prices to make DAMN SURE you turn away MORE business than before.

There are other 6 deck games in AC and naturally people that enjoy playing 6 decks will actively seek them out and Trump Plaza will lose business. Stupidity will insure that they will take a long time to figure that out (if that's POSSIBLE for them to figure it out) and they will send people playing elsewhere just as Harrah's casinos have.

I wish I could be a casino executive. You know why?--- Because I could be a complete bumbling idiot that makes horrific decisions that cost the company money and STILL make the BIG BUCKS!

They didn't pick those hours for no reason- what they want to do is lay off that entire shift across the city, management, surveillance and all. Slots require almost no payroll which is the big attraction.

 

[shadroch]

Losing businesses? Ditto that to your comments. Screwing customers will drive them to other AC casinos---or to Pennsylvania casinos. AC casinos are not the only games in town any more. AC management has falsely blamed "depression" as the reason for 15% drop in revenues. Hell---Pennsylvania casinos' revenues have increased 18%---PA gets no depression, right? Hey AC management, look at the graph below and WAKE UP!

Pennsylvania had about a dozen new casinos open, no?

 

[CaseyCat]

Pennsylvania had about a dozen new casinos open, no?

I stopped in PA at Mount Airy (pocolns) and there were no table games. I thought PA still didn't allow games. Still, foa a Wed afternoon it was pretty crowded, though a lot of teh crowd were Seniors who probably came on buses. The Hotel looked pretty dead.

 

[ChefJJ]

I stopped in PA at Mount Airy (pocolns) and there were no table games. I thought PA still didn't allow games.

You're right...only slots or other electronic games.

 

[Deleted member 3798]

Blackjack'll come to PA casinos in 2010

I stopped in PA at Mount Airy (pocolns) and there were no table games. I thought PA still didn't allow games. Still, foa a Wed afternoon it was pretty crowded, though a lot of teh crowd were Seniors who probably came on buses. The Hotel looked pretty dead.

You're right...only slots or other electronic games.

Blackjack'll come to PA casinos in 2010. Google reveals some good news about Pennsylvania casinos. In addition to slots, PA just legalizes table games. In 2010 gamblers will be able to play blackjack, roulette, poker, craps and other table games. An expert estimates that PA full-fledged casinos will take away 25% of PA gamblers & 25% of NY dieharts --- especially it's more likely for Mount Airy Casino to steal New Yorkers from AC casinos since NYC is only 1.25 hours from the casino.

 

[ChefJJ]

In addition to slots, PA just legalizes table games.

As much as that would make me happy, this hasn't happened yet.

The budget stalemate (which was supposed to be passed July 1) has vastly increased the chance of this passing. But it hasn't gone down yet. It's a matter of time though.

 

[kewljason]

As much as that would make me happy, this hasn't happened yet.

The budget stalemate (which was supposed to be passed July 1) has vastly increased the chance of this passing. But it hasn't gone down yet. It's a matter of time though.

It actually is going down. Sort of. The budget that was just agreed upon on friday, and that the Govenor has agreed to sign, contains $200 million revenue generated from table games. Of course the problem is that currently table games are illegal in Pa. The fact that they have already included this in the budget that is about to be signed, indicates their intent to change this law. However, I believe doing so requires public hearings and probably lawsuit challenges, which would no doubt be dismissed. However all this still takes time. So, I wouldn't count on seeing table games anytime in the immediate future. Most likely at least a year or so away.

If Philadelphia ever gets it's two casinos built and running, they will become the closest (in proximity) casinos to atlantic city. First, it will be interesting to see what rules Pa adopts for these games, and second to see how AC responds to this threat. They can basically go two ways. Either they can tighten their rules and increase the house advantage to increase revenue from fewer players or can loosen rules (possibly adding surrender and returing to S17 games, and fewer decks) and better penetration hoping to draw more players. I have little confidence they will take the correct route. At least initially.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

It actually is going down. Sort of. The budget that was just agreed upon on friday, and that the Govenor has agreed to sign, contains $200 million revenue generated from table games. Of course the problem is that currently table games are illegal in Pa. The fact that they have already included this in the budget that is about to be signed, indicates their intent to change this law. However, I believe doing so requires public hearings and probably lawsuit challenges, which would no doubt be dismissed. However all this still takes time. So, I wouldn't count on seeing table games anytime in the immediate future. Most likely at least a year or so away.

If Philadelphia ever gets it's two casinos built and running, they will become the closest (in proximity) casinos to atlantic city. First, it will be interesting to see what rules Pa adopts for these games, and second to see how AC responds to this threat. They can basically go two ways. Either they can tighten their rules and increase the house advantage to increase revenue from fewer players or can loosen rules (possibly adding surrender and returing to S17 games, and fewer decks) and better penetration hoping to draw more players. I have little confidence they will take the correct route. At least initially.

And I have little confidence we will ever see a table game in PA. Kind of hard to imagine they would be spending the money to get them legalized at the same time AC is looking for ways to shut their table games down. I'd like to be wrong on this, but casinos seem to want to be slot parlors and that's all. Minimal payroll, minimal risk.

 

[kewljason]

And I have little confidence we will ever see a table game in PA. Kind of hard to imagine they would be spending the money to get them legalized at the same time AC is looking for ways to shut their table games down. I'd like to be wrong on this, but casinos seem to want to be slot parlors and that's all. Minimal payroll, minimal risk.

I think it's one of those grass is always greener senarios. Places that have slots but no tables like Pa and delaware, think there is more money to be made by adding tables. Places that have tables, think the cost is too high and they would be better off as slots only.

 

[shadroch]

Has anyone actually confirmed that AC is looking to do this? I've seen one poster mention it and people have run with it as if it's gospel.

 

[21forme]

First, it will be interesting to see what rules Pa adopts for these games, and second to see how AC responds to this threat. They can basically go two ways. Either they can tighten their rules and increase the house advantage to increase revenue from fewer players or can loosen rules (possibly adding surrender and returing to S17 games, and fewer decks) and better penetration hoping to draw more players. I have little confidence they will take the correct route. At least initially.

Ac will do nothing to its table games in response.

They should have capitalized on their ADVANTAGE of HAVING table games to market against PA and DE casinos. They didn't.