Attacking 6:5 for fun (and profit?)

[zengrifter]

Does anyone want to post some SCORE numbers, or are we trying to keep this a secret? If so, I'll shut up and we can kill the thread.

Something like a bad 8D. Monk? zg

 

[Jack_Black]

Does anyone want to post some SCORE numbers, or are we trying to keep this a secret? If so, I'll shut up and we can kill the thread.

There's a thread on it. Too lazy to find it now, but it was started by anirishmannottoobright, maybe a year ago.

 

[creeping panther]

6.5

I was thinking it would be kind of fun to try attacking a 6:5 game. I'd be playing a small unit and doing it more for the challenge than anything.

Any advice? I use TKO, which I know isn't ideal for single deck, but oh well...

Can a very aggressive spread beat it? Spreading from 1 to 2x40 would crush, right?

How much does the lower BJ payoff devalue aces? Sequencing is still worthwhile, right?

I play primarily shoe games and 2D where I can get good pen. I've only played single deck when a casino was running a deal where they payed 2-1 on naturals during certain time periods, which applied to the 6:5 games as well. (That was a ton of fun, I flat be 3x$100 and made a killing.)

I gave in to playing 6.5 sd last night due to a special opportunity,,,1.33 HA but I won some good money on it.

Would I do it again,,maybe ,,if the special opportunity continues but it will never replace a 3.2 game.

CP

 

[billionaireben]

6:5 Revisited.

I did this and won most of my sessions (about 90%) at 6:5, but the one session that lost was too big a loss ($570, betting $10 min up to $100). a TC of +2 is a 0.25% advantage, not much but its something. The rules I came up with were only play heads up, vary your bets widely past the +3 TC point and make unusual plays when it has a positive expectation. Splitting tens against a 6 is one, doubling any soft hand (except BJ, unlss +4 or higher)against a 6 in positive counts, Doubling low soft hands in -4 counts, doubling 12 when the count is neutral and a lot of 9's are left after at least 3 hands.

The good thing is there is less heat and better rules (other than 6:5, which is big) seek out LS and good penetration, but the big rule is play alone on low min tables. Also, a rule of thumb that would have saved me in the game I lost, if you are down 250, then only down 50 in a less than perfect situation (like crowded 6:5, or any 6:5) just leave, your playing wont suffer from a $50 loss, but half your trip BR can f**k up your playing for the whole day.

BTW, I did recover and after going to my last $100 (on DD 3:2) I won back all I had lost, but did not yield a profit for the trip. Hooters DD games were the majority of my losses and I still made a profit at MGM playing only 6:5 games.

 

[21forme]

a TC of +2 is a 0.25% advantage,

There was some discussion about 6:5 on Green Chip a few months ago and Don S. said you don't have an advantage at 6:5 SD until TC +5, due to the reduced value of the ace.

 

[KingHenry]

i ran a quick 100 million sim using DAS S17, 50% pen and double any two, and it suggests ramping at TC +3 (not sure what the typical rules are though on 6:5 bj). on these rules the win rate is good, but the risk is really high putting the Score at 29.53 for a spread of 2x1 to 2x20. RoR for 200 unit bankroll is 16.8%.

if you post the exact rules i can prob get you a more accurate figure

 

[irobinson]

i ran a quick 100 million sim using DAS S17, 50% pen and double any two, and it suggests ramping at TC +3 (not sure what the typical rules are though on 6:5 bj). on these rules the win rate is good, but the risk is really high putting the Score at 29.53 for a spread of 2x1 to 2x20. RoR for 200 unit bankroll is 16.8%.

if you post the exact rules i can prob get you a more accurate figure

I have a local game that is 6:5 SD. Rules are H17, LS, RSA, DA2, DAS. Too bad they didn't make it S17.

 

[revelation0928]

Hooters DD games were the majority of my losses and I still made a profit at MGM playing only 6:5 games.

I ever been to Hooters several months ago,they have bad SD rule and bad dealers and croweded.
Hotters is one of the worst casinos I ever met.

 

[blackjacktilt]

I have some advice:

Don't Do It.

Let me explain this further.
STAY AWAY FROM 6:5, THE MORE WHO PLAY IT, THE MORE IT STAYS AND RUINS THIS BEAUTIFUL GAME :whip:
Ok beautiful might not be the right word... But you get my point.

 

[Gamblor]

Let me explain this further.
STAY AWAY FROM 6:5, THE MORE WHO PLAY IT, THE MORE IT STAYS AND RUINS THIS BEAUTIFUL GAME :whip:
Ok beautiful might not be the right word... But you get my point.

Beautiful game???? I just posted about losing my 22 v 6 three splits and three double bets that I lost at a moderate bet :cry: :laugh:

 

[tthree]

6:5 is not blackjack. It's a carny game.

 

[blackjacktilt]

Beautiful game???? I just posted about losing my 22 v 6 three splits and three double bets that I lost at a moderate bet :cry: :laugh:

Sarcasm my friend :laugh: I hate blackjack:whip:

 

[FrankieT]

I was thinking it would be kind of fun to try attacking a 6:5 game. I'd be playing a small unit and doing it more for the challenge than anything.

Any advice? I use TKO, which I know isn't ideal for single deck, but oh well...

Can a very aggressive spread beat it? Spreading from 1 to 2x40 would crush, right?

How much does the lower BJ payoff devalue aces? Sequencing is still worthwhile, right?

I play primarily shoe games and 2D where I can get good pen. I've only played single deck when a casino was running a deal where they payed 2-1 on naturals during certain time periods, which applied to the 6:5 games as well. (That was a ton of fun, I flat be 3x$100 and made a killing.)

Why don't you attack european roulette and pai gow while you're at it. Show some balls and be a real man.

 

[FrankieT]

I gave in to playing 6.5 sd last night due to a special opportunity,,,1.33 HA but I won some good money on it.

Would I do it again,,maybe ,,if the special opportunity continues but it will never replace a 3.2 game.

CP

You are talking about HCing, right; you weren't actually counting at it?? We're all mature adults here, you can say HCing - or has this board grown so secretive you can't even say the H word anymore?

 

[b jay cobbson]

There was some discussion about 6:5 on Green Chip a few months ago and Don S. said you don't have an advantage at 6:5 SD until TC +5, due to the reduced value of the ace.

What does Don know? You would think he wrote a book or something. He should stick to spelling and grammar and leave blackjack to guys like Jerry Patterson.

Cobbson

 

[21forme]

What does Don know? You would think he wrote a book or something. He should stick to spelling and grammar and leave blackjack to guys like Jerry Patterson.

Cobbson

I prefer Scoblete's expert advice :grin:

 

[Low Ball Cap Real Low LOW]

value of TC in 6:5

There was some discussion about 6:5 on Green Chip a few months ago and Don S. said you don't have an advantage at 6:5 SD until TC +5, due to the reduced value of the ace.

what saith don is the value of each hi-lo tc point in this game, knoweth ye?

sent with apologies.

 

[Low Ball Cap Real Low LOW]

please don't make me pay stanford

you guys. i hate paying stanford.

 

[tthree]

what saith don is the value of each hi-lo tc point in this game, knoweth ye?

sent with apologies.

Might as go to ace neutral count or Zen (ace half the value) at 6:5 if you are going to beat your head against the wall. The ace has little extra value for betting and really messes up your PE for playing.

 

[Low Ball Cap Real Low LOW]

stuck with hilo

Might as go to ace neutral count or Zen (ace half the value) at 6:5 if you are going to beat your head against the wall. The ace has little extra value for betting and really messes up your PE for playing.

Thanks, tthree -- it's good advice. The little shuffle that makes the 6:5 in question worth a go is sort of a pressing matter requiring immediate attention, and the casino is scary and immiserated, unlikely to give up enough queso to warrant this very old dog learning anything at all. But I would like to be able to know whether I got edge or not in all those true 5s and 6s and 7s I'm going deftly to craft in the joint. And hi-lo is all I got!