Automatic Monkey
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shadroch said:
No, the situations where the player has an advantage with a hard 13 are very rare. You don't believe that the player hitting or standing will have a net effect on the result of your hand do you?
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No, the situations where the player has an advantage with a hard 13 are very rare. You don't believe that the player hitting or standing will have a net effect on the result of your hand do you?
sagefr0g
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never have considered such a thing but i think it is an interesting idea apart from the scenerio that you describe. for the scenerio that you describe it wouldn't help as you have no idea what card is comming next. but if you were card sequencing, steering and or knew the dealer hole card yea cool idea. unfortunately i've got no experience or expertise in those advanced areas and even if i did the joints i'm mostly playing in are using automatic shufflersshadroch said:
.best regards,
mr fr0g
Automatic Monkey
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Well not quite, you can know either one of those things and it might make sense to buy the hand. Just being picky!ihate17 said:
Check out Fred Renzys site http://renzey.casinocitytimes.com/Archives/Neo said:
There are many articles that will help you to understand, why we do what we do.
ihate17
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I want to eliminate any doubt
Of course you are correct when it comes to getting some edge. I just thought the question was far out enough, that I would eliminate any doubt of the outcome before buying the guys hand.
Not long ago I ran into a horrible playing big bettor in a Vegas casino. Just the two of us played for a little over an hour on the same $100 table and this guy, perhaps a dozen times, paid me half my bet not to follow basic strategy to the tune of $1,200. One time when I had an $800 stiff in a high count and wanted to surrender, he paid me the $400 surrender so I would just stay. Landed up winning $1200 on that hand instead of losing 4. Guy lost over $30,000 in that hour, while partially because of him, I won almost 5 figures. Paid me to not double or split several times, so when I had a $100 bet out there, instead of being in a situation where I either win or lose $200, he had me in a much better world where I either win $150 or lose $50. So, though I may not offer to buy your hand, my hands are always for sale if the price is right (and you are short a bunch of brain cells but long on cash)
The cost of Voodoo at the tables can be high.
ihate17
AMAutomatic Monkey said:
Of course you are correct when it comes to getting some edge. I just thought the question was far out enough, that I would eliminate any doubt of the outcome before buying the guys hand.
Not long ago I ran into a horrible playing big bettor in a Vegas casino. Just the two of us played for a little over an hour on the same $100 table and this guy, perhaps a dozen times, paid me half my bet not to follow basic strategy to the tune of $1,200. One time when I had an $800 stiff in a high count and wanted to surrender, he paid me the $400 surrender so I would just stay. Landed up winning $1200 on that hand instead of losing 4. Guy lost over $30,000 in that hour, while partially because of him, I won almost 5 figures. Paid me to not double or split several times, so when I had a $100 bet out there, instead of being in a situation where I either win or lose $200, he had me in a much better world where I either win $150 or lose $50. So, though I may not offer to buy your hand, my hands are always for sale if the price is right (and you are short a bunch of brain cells but long on cash)
The cost of Voodoo at the tables can be high.
ihate17
ihate17
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Stupidity exists at all levels
Many players think that at higher level tables they have a better chance of finding good players. This might be right but the difference is not that great, there are plenty of horrible and stupid players who have loads of money.
Of course, on a $5 table you will not find a guy who will pay you these amounts. The guy was betting between $500-perhaps $2,000 per hand, sometimes playing two hands. So if he thought paying me, $100 would insure (somehow) a victory on his $1,000+ hand, he must have thought it was a good buy.
Anyway, on the blackjack tables I see no direct connection between money and inteligence.
ihate17
Many players think that at higher level tables they have a better chance of finding good players. This might be right but the difference is not that great, there are plenty of horrible and stupid players who have loads of money.
Of course, on a $5 table you will not find a guy who will pay you these amounts. The guy was betting between $500-perhaps $2,000 per hand, sometimes playing two hands. So if he thought paying me, $100 would insure (somehow) a victory on his $1,000+ hand, he must have thought it was a good buy.
Anyway, on the blackjack tables I see no direct connection between money and inteligence.
ihate17
ihate17
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You got it.
I (very generous of me) even reminded him of this but he said surrendering is bad luck. He pushed 4 black chips towards me, I took them, shrugged my shoulders at the dealer and stayed. Maybe he was a non believer in the flow and heard voices instead, anyway I would play at a table with him anytime.
I should also add that he was not always losing. He was down when I sat down but he got up perhaps $50,000 on a great run of cards. During this run he probably threw another couple of thousand into the toke box.
ihate17
Canceler said:
I (very generous of me) even reminded him of this but he said surrendering is bad luck. He pushed 4 black chips towards me, I took them, shrugged my shoulders at the dealer and stayed. Maybe he was a non believer in the flow and heard voices instead, anyway I would play at a table with him anytime.
I should also add that he was not always losing. He was down when I sat down but he got up perhaps $50,000 on a great run of cards. During this run he probably threw another couple of thousand into the toke box.
ihate17