Beating 6:5

[WABJ11]

I read an article that 6:5 SD could be beaten with a 1-8 spread. I've seen many of these 6:5 games have very deep penetration. Would this 1-8 spread work? How much penetration do you need? How do rule changes effect how much I need to spread? For example if no hole card or no DAS.

I'm more interested in knowing how to beat DD 6:5, and if its at all possible. I'd prefer to play this because most of my experience has been played with 2+ decks and perfect BS for SD is very confusing.

 

[pit15]

Um, if perfect BS for single deck is "very confusing" then sorry, but you're not really cut out for card counting.

 

[WABJ11]

Um, if perfect BS for single deck is "very confusing" then sorry, but you're not really cut out for card counting.

Um, I was referring to the long list of exceptions to memorize based upon the make up of your hand: http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/appendix3c.html

If you memorized that maybe your the next Ken Uston.

 

[salsa4ever]

they are simply a specific application of index plays.

use hi-opt I or II with 30 indicies and you can just toss them out.
especially if you use a block count of 7s and 8s with hi opt 1

 

[Memphis10Tigers]

Um, I was referring to the long list of exceptions to memorize based upon the make up of your hand: http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/appendix3c.html

If you memorized that maybe your the next Ken Uston.

As I understand, hand composition is nothing more than card counting index plays which only consider the cards in your hand plus the dealer up-card. In single decks game, this is important.

I wouldn't worry about memorizing the "single deck basic strategy." Just learn the indices for the counting method you are using.

As far as 6:5 goes...you can beat it, but I'm not sure if it can be done with a 1-8 spread. If a bigger spread is required, you will need a bigger bankroll to finance this venture.

 

[WABJ11]

BUMP-

Does anyone know what spread could beat a double deck 6:5 game?

 

[matt21]

BUMP-

Does anyone know what spread could beat a double deck 6:5 game?

WABJ, get a hold of the Casino Verite software from QFIT and you'll be able to work this out. With CV you can adjust the game to 6:5 and experiment with different spreads. So that's all you should need.

Though from memory of having looked at it this briefly in the past, you are not going to be able to beat 6:5 with a 1-8 spread.

 

[moo321]

I wouldn't do a 1-8 spread. It may be possible, but I think you're better off with 1-15 or 1-20. Also, you'll need more indices. Like all the ten splits, doubles with 8, etc.

Also, remember the EOR of the ace is lower, so Zen may be a better count for this game.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Casinos do watch their 6:5 games. I would have thought they were looked upon as carny games but a big enough spread will get you 86'd.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I wouldn't do a 1-8 spread. It may be possible, but I think you're better off with 1-15 or 1-20. Also, you'll need more indices. Like all the ten splits, doubles with 8, etc.

Also, remember the EOR of the ace is lower, so Zen may be a better count for this game.

Zen will work, but the ideal balanced count for the game is Mentor. The EOR of the ace and 9 are about equal, and close to exactly half of that for the 10.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Casinos do watch their 6:5 games. I would have thought they were looked upon as carny games but a big enough spread will get you 86'd.

Tell me about it! They are quite aggressively protected. I think the reason 6:5 SD has been waning is that it is more beatable than some of the shoe offerings out there, using counts their game protection people don't understand.

 

[NightStalker]

Which count is that?

Tell me about it! They are quite aggressively protected. I think the reason 6:5 SD has been waning is that it is more beatable than some of the shoe offerings out there, using counts their game protection people don't understand.

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[moo321]

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I believe he said he uses Mentor, while I advocated Zen. However, Hi-lo works fine.

 

[The Chaperone]

Trying to beat 6:5 is like choosing to walk across the country instead of fly. It can be done, but you are making things unnecessarily difficult on yourself. You'd be much better off just driving down the road to a better game.

 

[aslan]

Zen will work, but the ideal balanced count for the game is Mentor. The EOR of the ace and 9 are about equal, and close to exactly half of that for the 10.

Hence -1 for 9 and ace and -2 for ten. How far does Mentor alone go toward neutralizing the HA? Is the heat at 6:5 still commonplace with a very large spread?

 

[jack.jackson]

BUMP-

Does anyone know what spread could beat a double deck 6:5 game?

I'll check with CV a little later for ya. Ho2 would still be a good choice, tho the aces may only be worth -1+ each. 6/5 DD is probably futile even with good rules. Heat and swings would be hazardous. However, extreme measures with a large BR could prove worthwhile.

 

[Gamblor]

Heat and swings would be hazardous. However, extreme measures with a large BR could prove worthwhile.

Right the heat from the presumably huge spreads needed to beat 6:5 would be hazardous. I was thinking some crews might be completely oblivious to the 6:5 games and you could get away with any spread, but seems like from other experienced members this is not the case. At least not everywhere.

 

[Most Interesting Man]

Maybe the crews are just as oblivious about the effects of 6:5 as the ploppies and they protect the game as if it were any other SD.

 

[jack.jackson]

Right the heat from the presumably huge spreads needed to beat 6:5 would be hazardous. I was thinking some crews might be completely oblivious to the 6:5 games and you could get away with any spread, but seems like from other experienced members this is not the deckecase. At least not everywhere.

Oblivious is right. It's really not looked at( the pit eye's) from the disadvantage point, but rather the action your tossing around. I wouldnt be surprised if a 1:4 spread attracted less heat in an even money game, than a 1:20 6/5 8 decker would. Few know the real differences. I suppose being a good poker player would come in handy when it comes to this aspect of the game.