Brh-II

avs21

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I can not find a place to order the Brh-II system that still has it in stock. Bjrnet it is out of stock. Does anyone know of a way I can get a hold of the reports for this counting system. Would I be better off not buying the reports and use CVindex and CVCX to create the Brh-II system?

Thank you
 
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Here are some rounded index numbers I used for 6D and 8D, S17, when I used the system.

The system is a very good one but kind of finicky about decks and rules, so I'd recommend using a simulation of the actual game you're going to play.



Code:
	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	X	A	
17	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Hit/Stand
16	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Hit	Hit	15	-10	Hit	
15	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Hit	Hit	Hit	10	Hit	
14	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Stand	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	
13	-25	-30	Stand	Stand	Stand	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	
12	5	0	-15	-30	-25	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	
11	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	Hit	
11	Double	Double	Double	Double	Double	Double	Double	Double	Double	-5	Hard Dbl
10	Double	Double	Double	Double	Double	Double	Double	-35	10	10	
9	-5	-35	Double	Double	Double	10					
8				10	0						
7											
6											
5											
A9											Soft Dbl
A8				0	-5						
A7		Double	Double	Double	Double						
A6		Double	Double	Double	Double						
A5			Double	Double	Double						
A4			Double	Double	Double						
A3				Double	Double						
A2				Double	Double						
A,A	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split
10,10				20	20						
9,9	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split		Split	Split			
8,8	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	
7,7	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split					
6,6	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split						
5,5											
4,4				Split	Split						
3,3	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split					
2,2	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split	Split					
17											Surr
16							0	-15	Surr.	-30	
15								0	-20	-5	
14									0		
13											
12											
8,8								-15		
7,7											
											
											
Card Point Values											
											
											
											
A	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10		
-2	1	2	2	3	2	1	0	0	-2		
											
Starting Count by Decks											
											
											
											
1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8				
-4	-8	0	-16	0	-24	0	-32				
											
Insurance Decks Table											
											
											
											
1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8				
0	2	0	4	0	6	0	8
 

nightspirit

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avs21 said:
I can not find a place to order the Brh-II system that still has it in stock. Bjrnet it is out of stock. Does anyone know of a way I can get a hold of the reports for this counting system.
Use the search function of the main forum at BJFO. There is a post where Brett Harris posted his email-adress, you can contact him for a order. PayPal is necessary, if I remember right.
 

avs21

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Automatic Monkey said:
Here are some rounded index numbers I used for 6D and 8D, S17, when I used the system.

The system is a very good one but kind of finicky about decks and rules, so I'd recommend using a simulation of the actual game you're going to play.
Are these indexes used for the brh system with the tag values -2,2,2,2,2,2,1,0,0,-2?

The one I am interested in learning has the same tag values as the Zen count except it side counts the aces instead of including the aces in the primary count. I think it just subtracts each ace seen -2 from RC for better purposes with no need to convert it to TC. I am only going to use this system in SD and DD. I have tried side counting aces in shoe games before, but found it too difficult.

When you used the system did you TC or leave it in RC mode?
Thank you
 
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zengrifter

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avs21 said:
The one I am interested in learning has the same tag values as the Zen count except it side counts the aces instead of including the aces in the primary count. I think it just subtracts each ace seen -2 from RC for better purposes with no need to convert it to TC. I am only going to use this system in SD and DD. I have tried side counting aces in shoe games before, but found it too difficult.
Its the penultimate system, but not worth the effort for most. zg
 
avs21 said:
Are these indexes used for the brh system with the tag values -2,2,2,2,2,2,1,0,0,-2?

The one I am interested in learning has the same tag values as the Zen count except it side counts the aces instead of including the aces in the primary count. I think it just subtracts each ace seen -2 from RC for better purposes with no need to convert it to TC. I am only going to use this system in SD and DD. I have tried side counting aces in shoe games before, but found it too difficult.

When you used the system did you TC or leave it in RC mode?
Thank you
OK I see, the one I gave was for BRH-I, which is {-2,1,2,2,3,2,1,0,0,-2} And the one you just mentioned is BRH-0, and you were looking for BRH-II.

I tried sims for BRH-II and didn't find it to be all that much better than UBZ.
 

avs21

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Automatic Monkey said:
OK I see, the one I gave was for BRH-I, which is {-2,1,2,2,3,2,1,0,0,-2} And the one you just mentioned is BRH-0, and you were looking for BRH-II.

I tried sims for BRH-II and didn't find it to be all that much better than UBZ.
The system BRH-II BC 98 PE 67 and IC of 90. This is an article I found regarding the Brh systems. It sounds from the article Brh-II would perform on par with AO2 and would be stronger than UBZ enough to be worth the extra effort. I am only comparing the systems for SD and DD.

http://www.bjrnet.com/catalog/BRH_history.htm
 

zengrifter

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avs21 said:
It sounds from the article Brh-II would perform on par with AO2 and would be stronger than UBZ enough to be worth the extra effort. I am only comparing the systems for SD and DD.
http://www.bjrnet.com/catalog/BRH_history.htm
Use TC adusts and then go it one step better and add the 7-8 multiparameter adjsutments for hitting stiff and you theoretically have THE strongest system. But as I've alwys said, the Ace count cannot be performed accurately enough to warrant most practitioners' efforts. zg
 

avs21

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zengrifter said:
Use TC adusts and then go it one step better and add the 7-8 multiparameter adjsutments for hitting stiff and you theoretically have THE strongest system. But as I've alwys said, the Ace count cannot be performed accurately enough to warrant most practitioners' efforts. zg
If I decided to switch to this system I would only use the RC for SD and DD games. With just simply subracting -2 for every ace seen from the count for betting purposes, instead of the traditional way of ace side counting. Wouldn't this unbalanced RC system outperform Zen in SD and DD games and also have added cover with side counting aces even if it was not in the traditional way?
 
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avs21 said:
If I decided to switch to this system I would only use the RC for SD and DD games. With just simply subracting -2 for every ace seen from the count for betting purposes, instead of the traditional way of ace side counting. Wouldn't this unbalanced RC system outperform Zen in SD and DD games and also have added cover with side counting aces even if it was not in the traditional way?
If you want to sidecount aces, you might be better off using the BRH-I system for its fantastic betting correlation as-is, and using the ace sidecount for adjusting your insurance and other plays. That way if you ever blow the sidecount, no big deal. You can add in ZG's 7 and 8 sidecounts too if you want.
 

avs21

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Automatic Monkey said:
If you want to sidecount aces, you might be better off using the BRH-I system for its fantastic betting correlation as-is, and using the ace sidecount for adjusting your insurance and other plays. That way if you ever blow the sidecount, no big deal. You can add in ZG's 7 and 8 sidecounts too if you want.
I punched in the tag values for BRH-I and BRH-II. With both systems side counting aces. the Brh-II came out to be stronger for SD and DD
BC .983
PE .666
IC .897
Brh-I
BC .989
PE .651
IC .877
 
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jack.jackson

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Only use the brh-11 to sidecount aces, because this is the only count that doesnt reckon the ace. He actually recomends using a secondary A-2/3,5+1 to attain the BC full potential of .988. Sidecounting aces individualy by(Average distrubution) would only give you a BC of .982.

Note: when the secondary is used, its actually the brh-1 when betting. The brh-11 was born for higher PE while maintaing the power of brh-1 betting efficiency.
 
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