Can any online casinos be beat?
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Liquid Chips
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Well, I don't have all the logs anymore as to how *specifically* I won at Heroes Casino. However, I can post some concepts of strategies I used.rwbbj said:
Heroes Casino was using Galewind Casino software and is the most fair online casino provider I know of. Since you live in Canada (and not in the US), you are in luck. Because Pinnacle Sportsbook is the premier sportsbook in the world and they use Galewind software too. I suspect that other online casino software providers incorporate betting strategy analysis which makes winning much harder than plain ole random number generators.
I don't have time right now to post extensively on how I bet since I use an array of strategies and tracking of hand results. But I"ll post the one main basic betting strategy that is the bedrock of how I play online blackjack.
In the example below recreated from an actual Heroes session, you can see how I generally bet. Red are losses and pushes; green represent wins. After a win, I usually do a Martingale bet. You'll notice that I DON'T Martingale every loss. You'll see in Hand #8 I bet $10 and lost. I immediately go to $1 minimum until I get a win again. Hand #12 was a win so I martingaled my $10 loss triple to $30 for Hand #13. (As I already had a large balance at the time I could afford to be a bit more riskier.) Hand #13 lost so back to $1 minimum until the next win. BUT here's where betting the pattern comes in. Since there were two blocks of losing/pushes of 4 hands (Hand #s 3 to 6 and 8 to 11) I did another martingale bet on Hand #17 after another 4-hand losing streak. But that didn't work out. I don't always get it but sometimes I do. Ok, I win Hand #18. This time instead of martingaling to $120, I betted just $106 (the total losses from Hand #3 to #18.) Hand #19 was a push so back to $1 minimum. Hand #20 was a win so I just betted the same $106 and won a blackjack. This session won $63. I usually play in 25-hand sessions. I don't always play exactly this way as it depends on my account balance and how the cards are flowing. A lot of times I just keep betting the minimum when I get blocks of losing streaks like this until I get two or three wins in a row then I resume doing the martingale bets. If you are uncomfortable betting $100 or more then just work with the concept with the amounts you are comfortable with.
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True True!zengrifter said:
And I'm going to look into both of them, as well I will do some research of my own and try to find any other literature that is relative to the subject. I WOULD like to know if anyone here or elsewhere(knows of someone) who is currently applying the aforementioned bonus strategy to their current game?
bjcardcounter
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this pic is from cipher, did it help at all?Liquid Chips said:
Liquid Chips
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You mean the cipher software? Yeah, it helps as far as keeping a visual track of wins and losses. It helps me see how my session is going outside of just looking at the balance. It might just be a glorified record-keeping software but I also use it to analyze betting mistakes. It summarizes double-downs and splits won/lost and I keep track of those along with dealer/player blackjacks. I could (and did) do all this on plain paper but it's the visual presentation that you see in my previous post that is very useful, to me at least.bjcardcounter said:
I will be replying to "liquid Chips" post as I have a couple comments and questions I would like to address...bjcardcounter said:
but 'YES' the pic was helpful! Much obliged...
If this software is free or obtainable I would like to try and get it!
Thanks
rwbbj
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Liquid Chips
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The Visual Basic version was free by Cipher himself but it's no longer available but I think some other guy who was helping Cipher at one point had the download on his site. You'll just have to Google it and search for it if indeed if it's still there. Cipher later charged over $600 for the Java version. I did the Heroes Casino thing on paper though.
zengrifter
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Thats what me and RWBBJ want to know. Is this play dead or still alive? zgMaestro said:
(Dead link: http://www.antalyalilaremlak.com/180-how-to-beat-internet-casinos-and-poker-rooms.html)
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/How_To_Beat_The_Internet_Casinos_Contents.htm
zengrifter
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I don't think it was the Cipher voodoo that prevailed for you. I think it was divine intervention.Liquid Chips said:
RWBBJ needs REAL SCIENCE and not thoroughly debunked voodoo...
... BUT one alternative to Cipher Strands is Sonny's neighbor kid >>
Sonny said:Here's what my neighbor's 6 year old son came up with. It's not as pretty as your software but it's just as helpful and it only costs 25 cents!
bjcardcounter
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there is a thread where everyone was against cipher. do not use it unless u have a proofrwbbj said:
It's alive, although not frequently using blackjack anymore. That said, it is far from as profitable as it used to be and is far higher risk. Unless you are able to do something more advantageous than bonus play (think finding glitches in casino software) the rewards are kinda low these days.zengrifter said:
RJT.
bonuses: US based-no/outside US-maybe
The only way to make money playing BJ online is through bonuses. (It may be possble through tournaments, but that's for another thread.) If you live in the US, forget it for now. Bodog, the biggest one now available for US bettors has such a stringent play through requirement that you'll never clear your sign-up or any other bonus. If you live outside the US, maybe-but I doubt it. Casinos have really tightened their requirements for bonuses.
The only way to make money playing BJ online is through bonuses. (It may be possble through tournaments, but that's for another thread.) If you live in the US, forget it for now. Bodog, the biggest one now available for US bettors has such a stringent play through requirement that you'll never clear your sign-up or any other bonus. If you live outside the US, maybe-but I doubt it. Casinos have really tightened their requirements for bonuses.
Not true, but as with any advanced techniques in live play it's best left to those with the relevant skills. Not universally applicable and requires skills not many possess.Caesar said:
I know a couple of people making money from the US but in general i'd agree with this statement.Caesar said:
Still possible, but not as easy or profitable as it was even a year ago.Caesar said:
RJT.
zengrifter
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I never even tried online, though I know many who did the bonus thing successfully for years. zgbjcardcounter said:
Thanks for your post and re-affirming that "Bonuses" are the way to go....Something I would never have thought to be so predominant in the online BJ community. At least I know where to focus my attention!!Caesar said:
Here is a post I came across from another player in Canada who's currently having some problems with Bodog, it's a quick read if ANYONE is interested(?) other than myself:
Hi folks,
Recently Bodog became available in Canada.
Thought I'd let you know that I'm having no end of problems with cheques from Bodog. I recently had a good run and withdrew 3 times. (Took a couple of months to get the first cheque, they froze my account because I needed to "verify" and somehow that took 3 attempts, funny they don't need to do that to take your deposit but that's another story. To be fair, the last cheque only took 4 weeks to get)
Upon taking the cheques to the bank, they tell me that:
1. It's going to take six weeks before they credit my account
2. It's going to cost me $50 to cash each cheque.
3. I definitely got the feeling from the teller at the bank that I was being suspected of fraud. She said they needed to "investigate" the cheques.
Seems that they neglect to imprint the cheque with the coding at the bottom for account numbers etc.
Customer Service is very prompt, they answer every inquiry, lot's of sorrys etc. But they never say they'll do anything about the issues. I kind of get the "sucks to be you" feeling from them. I've made withdrawals from other sites, and never had this kind of frustration.
Thought I'd let you know, maybe I'm just unlucky.
As you can tell I am at the very BEGINNINGS of this possible endeavor, Now taking that into consideration and my residency being in Canada....any suggestions as to where would be a good starting point?
Thanks all,
rwbbj
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I will check out the links and see if I can find anything of value, Thanks!moo321 said:
I had NO IDEA that it was actually possible to make a living from this at one point in time! I suppose since the scene has been exposed casinos have TIGHTENED things up quite a bit! Or have even used it to their advantage to try and allure players to their sites...
I wonder if it may be a little late to use this tactic
Hope not, I've already heard of a few people having problems "cashing out", as I mentioned in a previous post, I suppose it's a matter of starting out at the right place?