Can we trust on line Casinos?

[beyondbj]

sure dont believe those play with computer program

for live real cam dealer , with edvidence for online chat its better

but u still hard to prove any trick on the cards ,

also i got a friend win a little money then they refuse to pay and say he is counter

so , better dont play online

 

[N&B]

There was a fella I knew back in 2001-03 that was very interested in setting up an on-line casino. He had close to 300 grand for seed money after purchase, so he said then. At the time he checked into 4 major players offering software, all of them are still around today. All 4 versions he tested had secondary programming that could allow him the ability to alter the drop despite the payouts/rules listed. (Essentially the same as the example, but 1 - 5 % or "off") According to him, this drop was availible on any game offered. Unfortunately, there was no security concerning that vital "off" switch ( Security dept. would also know the passcode, preventing a guarantee that said drop-option, and other options, could not be altered by anyone else besides the "owner of the Casino"), and he decided against all 4 major players. I have never had reason to doubt his statements over the years, and I still believe this is the reason that on-line gambling in the USA is illegal.

Some folks have seen and tested the software and reported secondary programming.

Edited for typos

 

[davidpom]

I take it that it is impossible to count cards playing online casinos?

Cantor Casino actually encourage it, and use their blackjack game as a differentiation point. Details at (Dead link: http://beatthecasinos.blogspot.com/2008/05/blackjack-for-card-counters.html)

 

[Kasi]

Some folks have seen and tested the software and reported secondary programming.

Who were the 4 major players, can you say?

Anywhere where you can point me to the folks who have tested the software of the 4 major players and reported this secondary programming?

Just curious.

Thank Holy Heaven I don't live in Canada, England or the many other countries where internet gambling is not banned and we have our gov't in its unquestioned infinite wisdom to protect us from such evils.

 

[N&B]

this "rigging" is actually the case for most online casinos. If you look at the software advertisements for the casino software most are using, you will see "you can set your own hold percentage"..

That's not a "fair game". Because it tunes out a lot of variance to prevent an online casino from taking a long losing hit that would naturally occur in a fairly dealt game. In real BJ, the "hold" is a function of cards being dealt and rules being used. In many of these games, the rules being used have nothing to do with anything. You are just going to lose 5% of your bets (or whatever they choose) even though you "think" you are playing a -.5% EV game...

This quote is from Stainless Steel Rat over at H or S posted 11/05. He too has actually seen the software offered by the major players. There are very few references to this topic and few people have seen the software setup itself. And I won't go near the phrase "Affiliate Program" either.

 

[Kasi]

This quote is from Stainless Steel Rat over at H or S posted 11/05. He too has actually seen the software offered by the major players. There are very few references to this topic and few people have seen the software setup itself. And I won't go near the phrase "Affiliate Program" either.

Thanks N&B. And I'm not saying no on-line casino has ever cheated - some have been caught.

But Stainless Steel Rat doesn't even seem to understand what "hold" even means.

All I know is what happened to me anyway lol. I mostly played Micro, Crypto,
Playtech, RTG, IGW, Random Logic, Odds On and Net Entertainment.

Net Entertainment was the worst for me - down 348.5 flat-bet units in 8672 hands. Right at about -3 stan dev. Not pleasant at all emotionally. Felt like I lost every hand lol. And obviously a small sample anyway. Buy, you know, still profitable lol.

 

[N&B]

I'm not saying they cheat per se either. Its just that certain regulations by not prohibiting a secondary "drop/hold" option, allow it to be included. :eyepatch: Nevada only allows the IRS rule (machine can't pay more than 101.7%) as a guide to slot/video poker payouts and in general, loosely defines what we call on-line gaming as a form of video machine, and thus not entitled to any secondary programming. (I think thats right, please correct me if mistaken)

N&B

 

[bet4fun]

Continue to play

I still continue to play at online casinos and enjoy every minute of it , for the most part I come out ahead , not always , first read terms and conditions of the casinos, make sure they have been around for a while , remember reputation is king when choosing an online casino.

Jeff

 

[davidpom]

My general rules for playing online:

1) Only play with those casinos registered in reasonable jurisdictions: i.e. UK / Malta / Ireland / Isle of Man etc. Avoid the "turks and caicos" islands, "venezuela" and other similar, potentially less reputable, jurisdictions.

2) Don't play at casinos that accept US players. Why? Because in many cases they are breaking the law... and it seems to me that it's many of these same casinos that end up on message boards not paying players etc.

3) Always hunt down the best bonuses you can find - and READ the fine print BEFORE playing! Most bonuses work out to YOUR advantage - but check whether they cover the games you like to play, and check the required playthrough before withdrawals etc (also called WR - wagering restriction).

4) If you can find additional bonuses to those available from the casinos themselves, take those also. For example, shameless plug, my blog (see footer) has a current promotion giving you an extra 20GBP or equivalent for every casino you join / play with. Some other sites also offer deals.

5) Most of the online casinos have support email addresses. Before playing, if you're not sure, email them or ring them up and see what sort of response / service you get from them. If they seem reputable and helpful, then you can deposit. If you don't like their service or way of dealing with you, then you can escape before any deposit is made.

6) Check out sites like blackjackinfo, casinomeister.com, wizardofodds.com and other reputable gambling sites - if there are problems with any particular casino chains, you'll probably see them mentioned here.

Good luck with your play - and remember that gambling is entertainment, not an investment - so limit your play to within your means.

 

[gn09]

is intercasino ok? im really cautious about doing this gambling stuff as im only a beginner in this area. I am interested in intercasino, so i just wanted abit of opinions of them.

 

[SuperTrump]

is intercasino ok? im really cautious about doing this gambling stuff as im only a beginner in this area. I am interested in intercasino, so i just wanted abit of opinions of them.

Extremely reputable and one of the best casinos in the business!

You will have no problems here!

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[kalebam]

I only recently got interested in BJ, before i always play online poker but i decided to give it a go. First at Oranje casino which i deposited 50 euro and walked off with 150 euro. Then i hit europe casino, i deposite 100 euro, got 100 euro bonus and within 10 hours play i had 1000 euro on my account. I did ask for a payout of 700 (already had played more then 16k which i needed for my bonus rules) so they should be transfering the money shortly. Now about the bonus.. they tell me i need to get 20x bonus+deposite x 2/3 on bj. But after i reach that magic number they tell me it's playmoney only and i lose the bonus if i withdraw.. so what sense does it make to play that much if i dont get it anyways?

now that was the good part: after that i lost within 30 mins 400 euro online so perhaps its because i got over excited but i noticed the house getting loads of 20 and 21.. even on live poker games which they also offer where you see the cards and dealer.. in the end i think they casinos are fair but the rate you can lose or win is extremely high...

 

[gn09]

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You will have no problems here!

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thanks.

 

[Elhombre]

Hello, since 1 month I tried Online casinos with live dealers.
And I found out opportunities to get an advantage, not by counting !!

The casinos are Victor Chandler, bet-at -home, gala casinos,coral games.
They all have a service in Russia or the Ukraine, that makes the
live-dealing.
I haven't made many statistics, but IMHO they cheat.
The dealers have more BJ's , 21, 20, less bust's as usual.

My dates are dealers bust 28,2%
dealers BJ about every 19 th hand

In Blackjack Attack or Professional BJ I cannot find any dates.

Could anyone give my the dates in a hole card game

of dealers BJ
21
20
19
18
17

I would much appriciate if someone would look to theese casinos
and make comments of their dealers hands.

regards rainer:joker::cool2:

 

[bet4fun]

Intercasino

I recently saw a post on one of the other boards about intercasino not paying out to much, many who had played at intercasino in the past where very happy but these comments have only been recent.

 

[forman]

On-line casino software seems to have been programmed to reduce the player chances of winning, especially if you try increasing bets.

That's my feeling on the subject.

I know online casino which built-in the system allowing to control the fairness of game`s results by players.
Randomness controll system allow to check that the arrangement of cards and numbers are completely random and have no connection to the size of bet. It is based ob the SHA-256 algorithm.

method is that the player receives the checksum of the sequence that he is going to play before he begins the play (in roulette he gets the numbers that the ball lands on, and in card-based games, he gets the deck.) The checksum is computed with the help of the SHA-256 algorithm that consists of 64 symbol codes (256 Bits),
As soon as the game is finished, the player will have access to all the elements of the earlier formed sequence. First of all, he can check whether the game was held according to the plan indicated in the sequence. Next, he computes the total sum of sequence on the basis of the SHA-256. If this sum is identical to the one received before he began play, he can confirm that the elements’ sequence which had been formed prior to the beginning of the game was in fact the one used in the game.

I think , it is interesting way to check the fairness of RNG.