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zengrifter

zengrifter

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Besides, a max bet of $500 with a BR of $5000 is lunacy,
surely you don't do that.
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Perhaps his $5000 BR is more of a replenishable 'miniBR' containing 10 max bets? zg (ps- Brad, the silverfox is one of the pre-inputted system selections on EJ's applet)
 
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BradRod

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Re: High Low

A better grip on my game ,,, in what way ? I must have close to 1000 hours of playing in. I think I have a good sense of my abilities, just trying to figure out how best to apply them
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Re: R U sure...

But, if it is in fact not working out for me than I want to consider which system will work best.

**Actually, your limited sample of results thus far is not statistically valid - it is ebtirely possible that a far stronger player could have faired worse thus far.

is 1/4D a 4 deck game ? 1/2D - 2 deck ?

**NO - means TC calculated by dividing the RC by remaining quarter-decks, half-decks, or whole decks. All of the methods work eaqually BUT the index#s must be pre-calibrated for the particulaer method - the current ZEN#s as published are calibrated for the 1/4D method, thus you could double the published i#s and then divide the RC by 1/2D (remaining half-decks) and it would work just as well, or even multiply the published#s by 4 and then divide the RC by the remaining #whole-decks. zg
 
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BradRod

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Re: R U sure...

**Actually, your limited sample of results thus far is not statistically valid - it is ebtirely possible that a far stronger player could have faired worse thus far.

could you please elaborate on how the sample is limited ( #of hours played ?) and what would constitue a stronger player ( bigger BR ?, wider spread ? )

are you still suggesting that it would be wothwhile trying the Zen or UBZ system ? or carry on as i am until i reach a more statistically meaningful point of playing ?

Thanks,

Brad
 
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Rob McGarvey

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Re: High Low

I guess I underestimated your abilities. You seem rather unsure of yourself, but I may be totally wrong. I agree with THop, and you might consider Zen since it is an easy count to master. It should be called the Hi Low II ;>.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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Re: R U sure...

I would say that 1000hrs (150,000 hands?) is by no means a reliable longrun indicator - try setting the cccomputer on hiLo with a similar spread and set for 150,000 hands, then repeat, then repeat - you may be amazed at variance from run to run.

As for stronger player I meant same spread, BR, betting, etc., BUT a STRONGER system, such as Halves w/150 i#s and a diecount of Aces for play variation. zg
 
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BradRod

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***Perhaps his $5000 BR is more of a replenishable 'miniBR' containing 10 max bets? zg

I wish that were the case. My efforts in mastering this game have hurt me.

(ps- Brad, the silverfox is one of the
pre-inputted system selections on EJ's applet)

and if I enter the parameters of my game using silver fox then I will see results that will be similar to those that I can expect from KO ?
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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and if I enter the parameters of my game using silver fox then I will see results that will be similar to those that I can expect from KO ?
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YES
 
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BradRod

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and if I enter the parameters of my game using silver fox then I will see results that will be similar to those that I can expect from KO ?
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YES

I accept what you are saying but, am wondering how you determine that given that Silver Fox is a balanced system (vs KO being unbalanced )is it the comparison betwen PE (playing efficiency) that we are looking at ? the insurance correlation seems much lower than KO

(from Casino Verite http://www.qfit.com/cvstrat.htm )

also looking at that chart I see that UBZ11 has a higher insurance correlation and PE than KO. are these gains worth the slight increase in difficulty to use ?

Looking at Zen I see that its level of difficulty is greater without that much higher BC, PE, or IC. than either of the unbalanced systems. I guess the advantage is gained in small improvements ..
 
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The Mayor

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Halves

Halves is a very strong count for shoe games, not great for single deck. It is not that hard to master, certainly easier than systems that use side counts. One wants a fabulous BE for shoe games, PE is just not that important, and IC is really unimportant in shoe games. Knowing when to put out the big bet is what it's all about.

--Mayor
 
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Rob McGarvey

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Re: High Low

It includes the 7 as TH suggested, and is a good II level count. I have used it but found that it was not as effective as the Hi Opt II. I don't like giving the 6 a +2, and since I was already "Ace aware" I went back to Hi Opt II. Work smarter not harder as grifter suggests. I want you to make your mind up and get on to more important aspects of advantage play! ;>
 
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T-Hopper

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If you are considering Zen *LINK*

you should also consider the Unbalanced Zen and Bushido systems, both based on Zen. Bushido comes in running and true counted versions, I'm not sure about the UBZ since I think a new version may be out.
 
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BradRod

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Re: If you are considering Zen

you should also consider the Unbalanced Zen and Bushido systems, both based on Zen. Bushido comes in running and true

counted versions, I'm not sure about the UBZ since I think a new version may be out.

T Hopper on what basis woudl you make the choice between these systems ?? also did you send the link you wanted to send, The one i see is interesting but, has nothing to do with BJ..

thanks,

Brad
 
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BradRod

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Re: High Low

Work smarter not harder as grifter suggests.

I want you to make your mind up and get on to more important aspects of advantage play! ;>

Thanks Rob,

I want to do that also. I need to reinfoce my confidence as much as anything else right now.

In one way I feel like chosing a counting system is an investment because you have to acquire the system, internalize it, practice it and then profficiency takes time too. So, I am trying to make the best choice based on the experience that I have so far.

On the hand I think understanding different systems gives you different insights into the game. For example, I think Hi-Lo demonstrates the basic value of 10's and the burden of 5's and 6's,

a 2 level system adds a greater precision to the value of intermediate cards that I was not aware of until I tried Omega II. It let me look at Aces differently too.

From KO I found a kind of visual way of seeing at the dynamic of the shoe. I have felt at times like I am watching an apple card tipping slowly until the balance shifts and it goes beyond the pivot point and all the apples come tumbling out. It really has helped me to visulaize the fluctuation in the cards as the count travels along the average distribution line.

Numbers are okay but, I think more visually as an architect.

Question ?? what did you have in mind as the more important aspects of advantage play ?

Brad
 
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T-Hopper

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Re: If you are considering Zen *LINK*

There isn't much difference between the three systems in how they will do in a simulation. I feel the Bushido is easier because all but 2 ranks are counted as +2 or -2. Having the option of running or true count with the same system is also nice.

I had just posted that Martin Gardner link to the other board on this site, and it remained in my browser until cleared. Hope you enjoyed it. The link below has some sample system reports and comparisons of the Bushido running count version vs. UBZ and Bushido TC vs. Zen. There is some more material posted at http://www.bjrnet.com/board_systems.htm as well.
 
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Rob McGarvey

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Re: High Low

#Numbers are okay but, I think more visually as an architect.

Built up beams and truss joists getting you down? ;> I also work with drawings. Do you design residential or ind / comm properties? Was doing some overtime from home here earlier in the day. I understand what you mean about visualizing the way you see your advantages in a 3D type of way.

#Question ?? what did you have in mind as the more important aspects of advantage play ?

Nothing in particular, just trying to say we should settle on a count first. Right now my attention is focused on internet blackjack where counting is not a big part of my advantage. There is a new casino opening on the US side of Niagara Falls that needs a good drive by though! ;> Hoping the Canuck side will give us a better game to compete, but not holding my breath. Still an hour and a half drive away for an 8 deck game.
 
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BradRod

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Re: High Low

>>>>>>>>>>> I also work with drawings. Do you design residential or ind / comm properties? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I do mainly residential design of custom single family homes. but, my practice is a bit diverse. i have done carwashes and laundromats, medical and professional offices, day care centers, retail spaces, restaurants,, no casinos,,,, yet.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There is a new casino opening on the US side of Niagara Falls that needs a good drive by though! ;> Hoping the Canuck side will give us a better game to compete, but not holding my breath. Still an hour and a half drive away for an 8 deck game.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

i was playing an 8 deck game recently with deep pen and wonging out on low counts it wasn't a bad game at all
 
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