Card counting or Poker?

[Thunder]

I concur with both callipygian and moo321.

IF one can play low stakes poker well, it is extraordinarily profitable
due to there being incredible numbers of clueless amateur players.

Well Flash,
I have to say it's getting very hard to find those clueless amateur players at least in AC. Now, I'd venture that close to 90% of the players I have played at least have an idea of which hands to start with. Keep in mind this is mostly 1/2 nl.

 

[FLASH1296]

Poker is very hard to beat.
The rakes and time charges are ruinous
It is certainly not for everyone.

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Incidentally, I have seen "TakinfromIndians" shoot dice.

He is in the formative stages but so far he has certainly demonstrated

to my satisfaction that he will succeed to a degree that makes me envious.
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[MOOLA]

about my friends friend making $10 grand a month I didn't believe it at first either. Sounds like complete Bull sheet! But it turns out he does make a lot of money (whether its from poker or not) because he is able to afford his own place (nice one at that) and drives a Mercedes SLK which he supposedly bought with cash! I asked him again about his $10 grand a month making poker player friend and he says he plays almost 8 hours daily! Yea, it sounds like a bunch of horse doo doo but hey, his car sure does looks nice!

 

[duanedibley]

about my friends friend making $10 grand a month I didn't believe it at first either. Sounds like complete Bull sheet! But it turns out he does make a lot of money (whether its from poker or not) because he is able to afford his own place (nice one at that) and drives a Mercedes SLK which he supposedly bought with cash! I asked him again about his $10 grand a month making poker player friend and he says he plays almost 8 hours daily! Yea, it sounds like a bunch of horse doo doo but hey, his car sure does looks nice!

bump.

10k a month playing online poker is very doable. Playing 8 hours a day and 5 days a week, you can make 10k a month playing 10 tables of $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Holdem with a win rate of 3 big bets per 100 hands. If you have a rakeback deal then you will get at least another 2k per month.

I know a number of players that are higher stakes at an even higher win rate, so what your friend describes is definitely feasible. Personally I think it can be done after 6 months of serious study and perhaps some coaching.

 

[moo321]

Online poker is much harder than it used to be. I'd guess that today you have very little chance of being able to beat even lower limit games without 6 months to a year's worth of training. Bonus whoring isn't what it used to be.

Live poker is a totally different animal. You could read one book and slaughter some games I've played in.

Not to say that you can't beat online poker, it's just become difficult with all the software people are using. You're essentially playing against a human-assisted poker computer when you play online.

 

[moo321]

bump.

10k a month playing online poker is very doable. Playing 8 hours a day and 5 days a week, you can make 10k a month playing 10 tables of $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Holdem with a win rate of 3 big bets per 100 hands. If you have a rakeback deal then you will get at least another 2k per month.

I know a number of players that are higher stakes at an even higher win rate, so what your friend describes is definitely feasible. Personally I think it can be done after 6 months of serious study and perhaps some coaching.

I don't know a lot of people that can 10 table $100 NL and win 3 big blinds per 100. It's certainly possible, but not likely for an inexperienced player.

 

[ccibball50]

I must be an idiot to continue blackjack. I win 90% of the time I play poker but I seldom play it anymore. I go to Biloxi for a fishing trip, and play poker only because I am not a green chip player yet in Blackjack and they don't have good tables until the 25 minimums. The most I have ever lost is 300 and the most I have one is 1k (in one sitting). Blackjack is totally different for me, but is sure is much more fun to play.

 

[Pelerus]

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Incidentally, I have seen "TakinfromIndians" shoot dice.

He is in the formative stages but so far he has certainly demonstrated

to my satisfaction that he will succeed to a degree that makes me envious.
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Did he learn his technique from another player or from AP literature? If the former, is there literature which teaches a similar method?

I am very interested in craps AP, primarily as a form of camouflage for card counting. In fact, I have considered playing craps for camo even without any attempted advantage play due to its low HA - but being able to play even a dead even game would be a tremendous boon to one's AP repertoire.

 

[mjbballar23]

bump.

10k a month playing online poker is very doable. Playing 8 hours a day and 5 days a week, you can make 10k a month playing 10 tables of $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Holdem with a win rate of 3 big bets per 100 hands. If you have a rakeback deal then you will get at least another 2k per month.

I know a number of players that are higher stakes at an even higher win rate, so what your friend describes is definitely feasible. Personally I think it can be done after 6 months of serious study and perhaps some coaching.

Only problem is actually playing 40 hours of online poker a week. If anyone has ever tried this they would know how terrible of a grind it actually is. Its defnitely much harder than working 40 hours at a 9 - 5. From my experience, most of the online pros play less than 25 hours week.

 

[moo321]

Only problem is actually playing 40 hours of online poker a week. If anyone has ever tried this they would know how terrible of a grind it actually is. Its defnitely much harder than working 40 hours at a 9 - 5. From my experience, most of the online pros play less than 25 hours week.

Yeah, it's impossible to multi-table more than maybe 20 hours a week of the same game. I went to Omaha, Stud, etc. just because I got so bored with my main game.

 

[duanedibley]

Yeah, it's impossible to multi-table more than maybe 20 hours a week of the same game. I went to Omaha, Stud, etc. just because I got so bored with my main game.

Yeah I can't handle more than 20 myself. I do know some people that can't get enough though.

 

[Martin Gayle]

I don't play much poker in casinos. But I will never turn down an invite to a house game. When I was living in Western Canada the live poker games could be very profitable. There were so many young, drunk, loose, fish. I would notice a few sharks that would patiently wait them out and harvest their BR's. It has been said here many of the weak players have retired (cleaned out) and it is much harder for good players to make alot of money. The resource based economy in Western Canada gives many young, unmarried men, lots of expendable income. All the games there were either no-limit or tournament. Many, many bad players.

I beleive there is also more cheating going on at live games than anyone can care to imagine. Casino's are not as concerned about cheats in the poker rooms as their money (the rake) is safe and cheat at poker is very hard to prove.

 

[favour]

good question

Out of curiosity what are the even odds games you can play and make money at? is Blackjack the only game near to even odds that you can skew to your favor. Is it even possible to count cards playing online?

 

[moo321]

Is it even possible to count cards playing online?

Not really.

 

[Pelerus]

Is it even possible to count cards playing online?

I played online for several months a while back, mostly for bonus hustling, but I did happen upon one place - "Casino Webcam" - which had a live dealer dealing from an actual pack of enormous cards. I believe it was six decks with about half cut off. Absolutely abysmal penetration, but I nonetheless counted while playing through my minimum wagering requirements to improve my chances. But aside from the odd situation like that, it is like moo said.

 

[PrinceDragon]

I played online for several months a while back, mostly for bonus hustling, but I did happen upon one place - "Casino Webcam" - which had a live dealer dealing from an actual pack of enormous cards. I believe it was six decks with about half cut off. Absolutely abysmal penetration, but I nonetheless counted while playing through my minimum wagering requirements to improve my chances. But aside from the odd situation like that, it is like moo said.

How many hand/Hr you got form it? My guess will be~50:laugh:

P.D.

 

[Pelerus]

How many hand/Hr you got form it? My guess will be~50:laugh:

You guessed it. Between the cumbersomeness of the cards and the frequent delays due to lag and other technical problems, 50 hands/hr was at the upper end.

 

[moo321]

How many hand/Hr you got form it? My guess will be~50:laugh:

P.D.

It was like 30... maybe. They cut the deck in half, AND burned a card between each round, AND they were slower than a dead horse.

I'd rather try a 6:5 game.

 

[MartyAce]

Yeah, it's impossible to multi-table more than maybe 20 hours a week of the same game. I went to Omaha, Stud, etc. just because I got so bored with my main game.

I play online poker as my sole source of income. I generally multi-table the max on Full Tilt of 16 tables playing primarily SNG's. It takes a lot of work and it can be very hard on your morale, but I still average around 45-50 hour weeks usually doing 5 hour sessions at a time.

 

[moo321]

I play online poker as my sole source of income. I generally multi-table the max on Full Tilt of 16 tables playing primarily SNG's. It takes a lot of work and it can be very hard on your morale, but I still average around 45-50 hour weeks usually doing 5 hour sessions at a time.

You sir, are at least one standard deviation to the right of most online pros.