Casino Stole my winnings please help

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that the tribes/reservations are outside of state jurisdiction (small-claims), but are most certainly within federal jurisdiction.

Though I imagine there are no small-claims federal courts.

Call Bob.
 
creeping panther said:
You are not outright suggesting painting all Natives with the same brush, that is fair of you. There are bad apples everywhere.

The truth is Cass was Barred and anything he did in that Native casino, after that barring, he did with great risk with full knowledge of the consequences.

As to the holding of chips, the team that had that happen to them instigated the action by their very own actions which invited the situation that transpired only as a last resort on the part of the tribe.

The Tribes offer some of the finest games anywhere, let us honor them and give them credit for that and let us not go for the throat when playing there. Given their history can you blame them for not appreciating someone attempting to put a Brock Lesnar chock out on them??

CP
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Come on now, you know certain tribes have sold their souls for casinos. They have expelled their elders and profaned their sacred for money. I do not expect honorable treatment from any tribe that is centered around a casino.

Legitimate tribal enterprises are to be respected, but casinos are not in that category. They exist to take my money, and I choose to instead take theirs.
 
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Automatic Monkey said:
Come on now, you know certain tribes have sold their souls for casinos. They have expelled their elders and profaned their sacred for money. I do not expect honorable treatment from any tribe that is centered around a casino.

Legitimate tribal enterprises are to be respected, but casinos are not in that category. They exist to take my money, and I choose to instead take theirs.
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I, on the other hand, do expect honorable treatment from all my business dealings. Does it always happen, no. Should it, yes.

That being said, I agree with AM about tribes selling their souls, expelling their elders, changing tribal council, and even using clout from Washington to get what they want.

If they offer the game, I'll do my best to take it in the manner and time frame that I see fit. If it becomes too much they can back me off or 86 me. But I won't give them more latitude just because of who they are. They are a casino and I am there to take their money, end of story.
 
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Automatic Monkey said:
Come on now, you know certain tribes have sold their souls for casinos. They have expelled their elders and profaned their sacred for money. I do not expect honorable treatment from any tribe that is centered around a casino.

Legitimate tribal enterprises are to be respected, but casinos are not in that category. They exist to take my money, and I choose to instead take theirs.
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Sorry you feel that way, I do not.

CP
 
Paddy

paddywhack said:
I, on the other hand, do expect honorable treatment from all my business dealings. Does it always happen, no. Should it, yes.

That being said, I agree with AM about tribes selling their souls, expelling their elders, changing tribal council, and even using clout from Washington to get what they want.

If they offer the game, I'll do my best to take it in the manner and time frame that I see fit. If it becomes too much they can back me off or 86 me. But I won't give them more latitude just because of who they are. They are a casino and I am there to take their money, end of story.
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That place you play at has little honor and are guilty of many things. They are also disliked by other tribes in the area. But not all are undeserving of high regard and respect. BTW, that place you play at,,,,unless you are very strong in one talent it really does suck,,,just what I would expect from them.:(

CP
 
creeping panther said:
Sorry you feel that way, I do not.

CP
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i'm with you on this one CP.
it's really no different than how it is for mankind with farming and hunting of animals or farming and mining the land. it's a mark of a man who respects and honors the resources that gives one sustenance. cruelty and disrespect of animals or abuse of the environment does mankind no good, just the opposite.
this is equally true for those of us who are able to find sustenance from casino's. respect and honor is in order, imho.
 
Wise Won

sagefr0g said:
i'm with you on this one CP.
it's really no different than how it is for mankind with farming and hunting of animals or farming and mining the land. it's a mark of a man who respects and honors the resources that gives one sustenance. cruelty and disrespect of animals or abuse of the environment does mankind no good, just the opposite.
this is equally true for those of us who are able to find sustenance from casino's. respect and honor is in order, imho.
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I love you man!!:)

CP
 
Cass maybe I missed, but did they actually take the chips for $480? If not, why don't you go with a practical solution by sending 3-4 of your friends with ~$100 worth of chips to cash them out?
 
Back on track here, a little...

I would consider suing in the tribal court. From what I've read, these courts are actually fair in most cases. Not always, but then again, neither are US and state courts (like Nevada).

See if there is a tribal gaming commission (there usually is) and file a complaint with them first. If that doesn't get anywhere, you could sue.

As far as the people arguing that Indian nations are not sovereign, they most certainly are according to US law. It's actually written into the constitution. Now courts are still trying to figure out the technicalities of this, but in general they have significant rights to self-govern.
 
moo321 said:
As far as the people arguing that Indian nations are not sovereign, they most certainly are according to US law. It's actually written into the constitution. Now courts are still trying to figure out the technicalities of this, but in general they have significant rights to self-govern.
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This comes up a lot. They are not sovereign nations. They operate outside of state law, but most certainly not federal law. But this does give them significant rights to self-govern, and definitely makes legal actions more difficult.
 
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suicyco maniac said:
Doesn't this contradict many of your postings about the honorable and noble race of native Americans? Such as this one from a while back




I understand that it only takes one bad seed to spoil everything and its unfair for me to paint all Native Americans as unethical but its obvious that Tribal's often try to hide behind this sovereignty crap to not only break laws (such as outright stealing money) but also violate peoples basic human rights such as physically assaulting them for doing nothing more then playing a game skillfully. Its outright disgusting!!
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Fighting sovereignty in court or going to tribal court both tend to be dead ends that get you nowhere and $480 is not worth any sort of legal fees.

What has worked in the past is either bad publicity or the threat of it. Many native casinos are completely dependent upon income gotten from local players and bad press on both the local airwaves and newspapers is something that they really fear, especially if there is competition in the area.

Being an AP who has been at this casino often enough, you should have known that they ask for ID at low amounts and the fact that you had been already barred should have made it a certainty that you cashed out only small amounts, so the original poster can put alot of blame on himself.
 
This is my own fault, but I never imagined chips would not be paid. I think my local newspaper will be interested in this story. there are two competing casinos in my area.
 
As a former newspaper reporter, the local paper may not be as interested in a BJ player. I've seen many stories over the years of tribal casinos denying 1-arm bandit JPs. Almost every story I've ever seen about denying a JP has been Tribal as opposed to a casino under a state jurisdiction.

The reason is that even state gaming commissions must indirectly answer to voters. Tribal courts and councils do not have to answer to non members.

I avoid tribal casinos like they are the plague.
 
You were banned??

You were banned, but yet kept going back? Am I the only person that see's this as 'lucky to be out of jail'? They banned you and you still played...sorry, no crying from here. Next time have someone else cash in your chips.
 
riggler

riggler said:
As a former newspaper reporter, the local paper may not be as interested in a BJ player. I've seen many stories over the years of tribal casinos denying 1-arm bandit JPs. Almost every story I've ever seen about denying a JP has been Tribal as opposed to a casino under a state jurisdiction.

The reason is that even state gaming commissions must indirectly answer to voters. Tribal courts and councils do not have to answer to non members.

I avoid tribal casinos like they are the plague.
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You should reconsider.

Just behave and follow the rules, don't be an asshole with an attitude.

CP
 
Please do avoid all indian casinos

Thank you for your non support!!! Yes indian casinos are the worst ....They even might take you out back and beat you...If you have zero balls please stay away... Hell their table maxes are teeny tiny...not worth the effort for most..
Most of them are in the back woods and the drive to them is hell...No freeways, no crowds...the scenery sucks.. I mean who would want to combine a vacation with your play...Now there are some nice mega indain casinos,,,please do enjoy those stores..:eek:

Machinist
 
Cass-
It won't get your winnings back but tell EVERYONE you know how you were treated there-it wii eventually cost the casino more than they robbed from you. Word of mouth is strong-it can help or kill a business!:joker:
 
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