Casino tolerates counters?

[All Clear]

When I first started counting after turning 21, I would brag to my friends about how good I was- the Atlantic City casinos had no clue what I was doing...

It was only years later that I determined that most places likely knew I was counting, and didn't care- they would still give me free rooms and comps. My going from a $10 - $120 spread will cost them about $10 an hour- peanuts as far as they are concerned. I gave up any negative EV cover plays at that point, and stopped leaving after an hour at the same table- I now stay for three or more hours at the same place. Nothing negative has ever occurred, and I still stay for free on weekdays, as always.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

I heard Barona used a good face-tracking system. But you're saying they don't care about counters?

 

[ihate17]

Just hire on new person

Yes, I have experienced that at 2 places for many years, keeping it cool, not being greedy, and slowly milking the casinos. I knew they knew because I read it on their computers and had many experiences where they warned me that I was crossing the line. But in the end both places came down on me hard for what I believe was their feelings that I had betrayed their courtesy.

CP

Panther
There were a couple of places in the past where I counted and spread for so many years that they had to know I was counting. Apparently to me, I was just under their tolerance level even though my max bet might be $500. At both places I was eventually backed off (took over 15 years at one of them) and both times I learned they had hired a new manager of table games.

One nice thing about there being so many different casinos today is that when a door closes on you, there are still more door open than you can possibly play.

 

[BJgenius007]

When I first started counting after turning 21, I would brag to my friends about how good I was- the Atlantic City casinos had no clue what I was doing...

It was only years later that I determined that most places likely knew I was counting, and didn't care- they would still give me free rooms and comps. My going from a $10 - $120 spread will cost them about $10 an hour- peanuts as far as they are concerned. I gave up any negative EV cover plays at that point, and stopped leaving after an hour at the same table- I now stay for three or more hours at the same place. Nothing negative has ever occurred, and I still stay for free on weekdays, as always.

Most big shops don't care people like me, spreading $25 to $400 in 6D. Over the years, a lot of dealers become my friends, or at least become very friendly. We talked about counting. Some dealers told me they count and play at nearby casinos. They really don't care about red and green chip counters. A dealer just told me he knows I am a counter but he and he know his pit boss doesn't care because yesterday, a kid from Pittsburgh, just lost $2.5 million in a few hours at this casino. He said he dealt at the kid's BJ table earlier. The kid told him he just inherited $2.5 million.

 

[zengrifter]

I read the same thing but believe that was a long time ago. I don't think he still owns any casinos.

Rubin has never owned a casino. He has worked for casinos. zg
See - Max Rubin, counter-catcher?

 

[blackjack avenger]

Don't Like the Under

You don't know you are not tolerated until you know you are not tolerated, then it's to late.

I don't think anyone wants to try this experiment:

Enter a casino and hammer it for hours and days on end to prove you won't get countermeasures.

Your not paranoid if they are out to get you!

 

[Dyepaintball12]

...a kid from Pittsburgh, just lost $2.5 million in a few hours at this casino... The kid told him he just inherited $2.5 million.

Hilarious!

 

[farmdoggy]

Small time card counters are good for business...

If you think about it, a small time card counter makes the best table warmer for a number of reasons...

(1) It is usually in the counters interest to leave a full table, and join an empty one: In doing so, we leave a spot that is more likely to be joined by a ploppy, and the new table now appears less "scary".
(2) A counter typically has a larger stack of chips in front of them, even though we try to avoid this: Even if buying in for a modest amount of $200 at a red chip table, this is usually more than what a ploppy would buy in for, which could be anywhere from $5 (in ones) -$100, and the counter will likely find he has to buy in again at the first pos count. Whether winning or losing, a ploppy walking by the table will think that the table is "going good".
(3) A counter will occasionally bet a fairly large sum of money, and will occasionally win that bet: This creates excitement.

Table warmers are typically paid $20/hour. If you are a red chip card counter, they only have to pay you $10 to do a better job. So whether you want to or not, your bankroll determines whether or not you are good for the casino. Big BR = Backoff, Small BR means crappy conditions and you can't help but make the casino money... Unless you're rude which might increase your chance of a backoff.

I've never been backed off... I've had ploppys follow me round for a whole night sometimes from table to table, because they think I'm "their lucky charm"... Quite annoying actually :whip:

 

[BJgenius007]

Most big shops don't care people like me, spreading $25 to $400 in 6D. Over the years, a lot of dealers become my friends, or at least become very friendly. We talked about counting. Some dealers told me they count and play at nearby casinos. They really don't care about red and green chip counters. A dealer just told me he knows I am a counter but he and he know his pit boss doesn't care because yesterday, a kid from Pittsburgh, just lost $2.5 million in a few hours at this casino. He said he dealt at the kid's BJ table earlier. The kid told him he just inherited $2.5 million.

Hilarious!

No, it is so sad. The dealer said the kid just lost all his inheritance in a few hours. Once the first million dollars gone, the kid began to play irrationally. Like hit 18 and 19 against bust card or double on 5. And the dealer blamed the kid's parent for not preparing him for the cruel world or not preparing him enough before leaving them (he has an underage brother as he told the dealer. Each got $2.5 million.)

But the casino and all the local counters thank him!

 

[Dyepaintball12]

No, it is so sad. The dealer said the kid just lost all his inheritance in a few hours. Once the first million dollars gone, the kid began to play irrationally. Like hit 18 and 19 against bust card or double on 5. And the dealer blamed the kid's parent for not preparing him for the cruel world or not preparing him enough before leaving them (he has an underage brother as he told the dealer. Each got $2.5 million.)

But the casino and all the local counters thank him!

No, I don't think its sad at all. I think this kid was stupid and got what he deserved.

If you're rich and want to gamble away $2.5 million, do it. If you're young and all you have is $2.5 million and you gamble it away, you don't deserve it.

 

[farmdoggy]

a kid from Pittsburgh, just lost $2.5 million in a few hours at this casino. He said he dealt at the kid's BJ table earlier. The kid told him he just inherited $2.5 million.

How is that even possible?

 

[BJgenius007]

How is that even possible?

in HL room. $5,000 or $10,000 a hand. It only takes 250 hands in net loss. Head to head, it could be done in two hours.

Yes, Virginia, two and half a million dollars can be gone in a few hours!

 

[tribute]

in HL room. $5,000 or $10,000 a hand. It only takes 250 hands in net loss. Head to head, it could be done in two hours.

Yes, Virginia, two and half a million dollars can be gone in a few hours!

Maybe he got a room and meal comp.

 

[farmdoggy]

in HL room. $5,000 or $10,000 a hand. It only takes 250 hands in net loss. Head to head, it could be done in two hours.

Yes, Virginia, two and half a million dollars can be gone in a few hours!

Assuming a $10,000 bet and 300 hands per hour that's a house edge of 41.67% if he lost it all in 2 hours, and a house edge of 20.83% if he lasted 4. Yeah I guess he did deserve it :laugh:

Funny that the worst ploppies that we make fun of here would at least have to come back after working an 8-hour day before losing that kind of money.

 

[paddywhack]

Over the years, a lot of dealers become my friends, or at least become very friendly. We talked about counting. Some dealers told me they count and play at nearby casinos. They really don't care about red and green chip counters. A dealer just told me he knows I am a counter but he and he know his pit boss doesn't care

Still a really BAD idea Genius

 

[BJgenius007]

Still a really BAD idea Genius

I never confirm or deny I am a counter. And I often said it is the luck and my intuition can tell my conscience we haven't seen lots of tens lately.

 

[alwayssplitaces]

Assuming a $10,000 bet and 300 hands per hour that's a house edge of 41.67% if he lost it all in 2 hours, and a house edge of 20.83% if he lasted 4. Yeah I guess he did deserve it :laugh:

Funny that the worst ploppies that we make fun of here would at least have to come back after working an 8-hour day before losing that kind of money.

Well if that idiot did stupid things like hit a hard 19 I don't think that house edge calculation is wrong. 2.4 million dollars and that kid could live off the interest and not have to work the rest of his life, and still have plenty of money left over to gamble. Now he will live with that guilt all his life that he gambled away everything his parents worked hard for. That kind of loss will show up on the quarterly statement of the casino.

 

[Jet]

HI Sir

Panther
There were a couple of places in the past where I counted and spread for so many years that they had to know I was counting. Apparently to me, I was just under their tolerance level even though my max bet might be $500. At both places I was eventually backed off (took over 15 years at one of them) and both times I learned they had hired a new manager of table games.

One nice thing about there being so many different casinos today is that when a door closes on you, there are still more door open than you can possibly play.

In all that time at these two specific casinos, have you given up your ID or had player's cards? Was anonymity a high priority at that time or right now for you on general scale?

 

[All Clear]

When I first started counting after turning 21, I would brag to my friends about how good I was- the Atlantic City casinos had no clue what I was doing...

It was only years later that I determined that most places likely knew I was counting, and didn't care- they would still give me free rooms and comps. My going from a $10 - $120 spread will cost them about $10 an hour- peanuts as far as they are concerned. I gave up any negative EV cover plays at that point, and stopped leaving after an hour at the same table- I now stay for three or more hours at the same place. Nothing negative has ever occurred, and I still stay for free on weekdays, as always.

I guess I was wrong, and the casinos do care (albeit just a little)....

I was half-shoed after splitting tens against a six on the last hand of the shoe. I had two hands of $60 each, and won $180 when the dealer busted and I won all three (two original hands, one of which I split) hands. The pit boss (who was watching) said something quietly to the dealer, and after the shuffle the cut card was placed only 4 decks into the 8 deck shoe. I colored up quickly and left, of course.

No permanent damage, though- I tried a different shift three weeks later, and even though I still gave them my player's card, nothing negative happened and I played my normal way.

I still think they don't care too much about a spread of $10 to a max bet of 2 X 60 (or 1 X 120 at a full table)- it was my first experience with anything negative from a casino due to possible advantage play, and I have been playing for years and years, for hours in each session, and at many different casinos on the AC boardwalk.

 

[paddywhack]

I was half-shoed after splitting tens against a six on the last hand of the shoe. The pit boss (who was watching) said something quietly to the dealer, and after the shuffle the cut card was placed only 4 decks into the 8 deck shoe. I colored up quickly and left, of course.

Just be careful that it's not TOO quickly. That might tip them off or confirm you are counting more than splitting the tens.