considering switching to zen

[squeeks]

I was looking at zen but I have a few questoins about zen, do you convert into TC the same way as the hi-lo count, also does the I18 and fab 4 still apply? Does zen give you that much more of an advantage over hi-lo?

 

[zengrifter]

do you convert into TC the same way as the hi-lo count, also does the I18 and fab 4 still apply? Does zen give you that much more of an advantage over hi-lo?

Yes, yes, and ... no. See ZGI. zg

 

[squeeks]

Thanks zg.

 

[squeeks]

Sholudn`t zen give you more of an andvantage over hi-lo since it`s more complex, if not can you recommend another system that would give you more of a advantage?

 

[blackjack avenger]

Some Choices

I would go with
revere point count (maybe someone could give some detail on this count?)

or

wong halves, similar in many ways to hi low but stronger
what i use

there is nothing wrong with hi lo, especially if you have been using it and know the indices.

 

[jack.jackson]

Sholudn`t zen give you more of an andvantage over hi-lo since it`s more complex, if not can you recommend another system that would give you more of a advantage?

Opposed to hi-lo, yes. But not because its more complex, its just more efficent.

You can still win with hi-lo, it will just depend on how you use it.

For example,(in MD) a 1-8 spread with hi-lo wongin in and wongin out, would out perform something like Ao2, Hi-opt2 with 1-12 spread play-all minus the fatigue and variance.

I have CVdata and in the upcoming weeks, Ill be displaying these type of results on the board, as I become more proficient at using the software.

Zen is probably a little stronger for 1&2 deck, while RPC is a little better for 6&8 deck.

Ones a 9 point L2, while RPC is 10 point(L2)

1. 11222100-2-1

2. 12222100-2-2(RPC)

With RPC youll have more cancellations, but will be using more multiples 2 and 4 with a 10% higher running count, opposed to 1 and 3s increments of integers with Zen, but with less cancellations.

Pick your poison.

Wong halves is a little stronger and tougher, than either of these.

 

[BlodiaInc]

Yes, yes, and ... no. See ZGI. zg

zg,

Haven't you been recommending Renzey's Mentor Count to those who want to move up to a level 2 count?

Blackjack Bluebook II FTW!

 

[zengrifter]

zg,

Haven't you been recommending Renzey's Mentor Count to those who want to move up to a level 2 count?

Blackjack Bluebook II FTW!

Yes, because of its unique 2DTC. zg

 

[zengrifter]

Zen is probably a little stronger for 1&2 deck, while RPC is a little better for 6&8 deck.

RPC has nothing on ZEN, even for 6-8D games.

Squeeks is wanting to move to level-2 count for the wrong reason(s). zg