CSM question
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UK-21
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When the cards are dumped from the carousel slots to the discharge ramp, I don't think it's possible for them to be placed up to one card from the front - I think by the nature of the mechanism there must be a minimum number from the front (although I've never had that confirmed).
It also raises the interesting question that if the same applies at the back end of the discharge ramp - let's say the cards being dumped from the carousel can never be placed further back than 6 cards from the rear - then it would be tantamount to (six) cards never coming back into play?
I did have a chat once with a dealer in a casino that was all CSM - he went on at length how it made for a fairer game yada yada, and I explained my concerns re the above. I asked if he'd take the casing off and I'd show him what I meant, and we could watch the thing working to see whereabouts in the discharge ramp cards were introduced. Not surprisingly, he declined.
Something I think players should have their concerns satisfied over me thinks?
If 15 cards are dealt to a full table (sixteen in the States), and the furthest forward cards can be introduced to the ramp is six from the front, then yes, it would be possible for cards just returned to the machine to come out in the next round. But if the ramp is always kept at full capacity (which I suspect it is), then no it wouldn't.
It also raises the interesting question that if the same applies at the back end of the discharge ramp - let's say the cards being dumped from the carousel can never be placed further back than 6 cards from the rear - then it would be tantamount to (six) cards never coming back into play?
I did have a chat once with a dealer in a casino that was all CSM - he went on at length how it made for a fairer game yada yada, and I explained my concerns re the above. I asked if he'd take the casing off and I'd show him what I meant, and we could watch the thing working to see whereabouts in the discharge ramp cards were introduced. Not surprisingly, he declined.
Something I think players should have their concerns satisfied over me thinks?
If 15 cards are dealt to a full table (sixteen in the States), and the furthest forward cards can be introduced to the ramp is six from the front, then yes, it would be possible for cards just returned to the machine to come out in the next round. But if the ramp is always kept at full capacity (which I suspect it is), then no it wouldn't.
AussiePlayer
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I believe there are a multitude of different settings/programs that can affect this, which can be changed by the casino at will.UK-21 said:
UK-21
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If my memory serves me right I think someone made a previous contribution (a couple of years back now) that said there were three different RNG chips in the thing - one that randomly selects a carousel slot with "vacancies" (I think each slot can hold a maximum of 15 cards each?) into which cards sitting in the return input will go, one that dictates which slot will discharge it's contents into the output ramp and one that dictates the point in the output ramp where the cards being discharged will go - all very sophisticated.
I'd be interested to know how it functions with a single deck of cards on games like Caribbean Stud and Three Card Poker? If the output ramp holds 40 cards (as I was once told it did - although no evidence to this effect) and the returns are always returned at least five cards from the front, it would mean the player at first base in a Caribbean Stud game would have no possibility of being dealt cards that were dealt in the previous round? Whenever I've seen a game in progress, cards are dealt by means of the croup pushing a button and the CSM spitting out five at a time which go to each player - they're not dealt in an interspersed manner.
The truth of the matter is, I think, that only the people at Shufflemaster Inc really know how they work, and it's probably a dismissable offence and/or gross misconduct to disclose such facts outside of the organisation.
Although they claim that the shuffle is random, it clearly isn't - although it randomnly re-orders a proportion of the cards in play sufficiently to eradicate any possibilities of card counting, shuffle tracking etc.
I'd be interested to know how it functions with a single deck of cards on games like Caribbean Stud and Three Card Poker? If the output ramp holds 40 cards (as I was once told it did - although no evidence to this effect) and the returns are always returned at least five cards from the front, it would mean the player at first base in a Caribbean Stud game would have no possibility of being dealt cards that were dealt in the previous round? Whenever I've seen a game in progress, cards are dealt by means of the croup pushing a button and the CSM spitting out five at a time which go to each player - they're not dealt in an interspersed manner.
The truth of the matter is, I think, that only the people at Shufflemaster Inc really know how they work, and it's probably a dismissable offence and/or gross misconduct to disclose such facts outside of the organisation.
Although they claim that the shuffle is random, it clearly isn't - although it randomnly re-orders a proportion of the cards in play sufficiently to eradicate any possibilities of card counting, shuffle tracking etc.