IMHO. There has been some exellent DD for at least the last year or so. I find it hard to play the shoe games when there are some great DD options. But you gotta move around. Those games are watched closely. And don't spread to much. 1-8 seems to cause trouble while 1-6 seems safe.blackchipjim said:
Even some of the DD games with poor rules such as H17, have very good penetration and should be checked out.21forme said:
I agree they are watched very closely. the only problem is that 1- 6 is enough to beat them but I find that it creates heat, too. One - 4 is probably not enough to beat them unless luck is on your side, so these are really iffy games. I have broken even for many hours at these games. I'd rather have a bad DD game with great pen, but still the 1 - 6 spread gets attention, at least when I play.Solo player said:
Yes, I should have said the 1-6 spread seems "more" safe than 1-8 spread.aslan said:
Of course every place is different and needs to be evaluated independently, but in general terms 1-6 spread seems to be about the threshold that is tolerated, assuming you don't camp out. It is even better if you don't make the wagers so uniform. I spread 3-16 units on double deck, which is roughly a 5-1 spread but my bet ramp isn't uniform, making it a little harder to figure out. for example 3 units, 5 units, 7 units, 11 units. (odd amounts) I adhere to the same rule as 6 decks in that I will always end the session at the shuffle after 16 unit wagers. Sometimes that makes for very short sessions playing double deck, but so far I am always welcome back.Solo player said:
Absolutely, not. Don't reduce your spread.MountainMan said:
My observations are based solely on a regular player, myself, who might play a store regularly, maybe 2-3 times a week and wants to stay off the radar screen. If I came to vegas one or twice a year I would hit them hard. As hard as my BR would allow. So you are backed off/banned. You won't be back for 6 months. The only exception would be if you are playing a higher level that could give them something extra to remember you by. Since you said you win small amounts, I assume this isn't the case.I know exactly where you play because your name gives it away. And I play there, too. When I play there, I spread 8 to 1. Actually I have tried 6:1 spread and still make good money. But I see people spread 20 to 1 and pit boss seemed not care so I settle with 8 to 1 spread.MountainMan said:
Psshh...you'll be out of retirement soon enough. And in and out and in and out....you sure you will ever "really" retire?aslan said:Darn! I was planning to take a trip there. But heck, what am I talking about-- I'm retired anyway.
It's been my observation that the "high-class" escorts are tolerated, possibly even protected/encouraged, but that the run-of-the-mill street walker is deemed undesirable by the hotels/casinos. I hope others weigh in on this.tribute said:
The pit bosses (or the owner) in this casino are too nice. This is what happened in my recent trip. Everyone in this DD table were big winners. That includes 4 APs and 3 ploppies. You could see pit boss was worried. First, he came and counted loud. That did not stop the most aggressive AP spreading 12 to 1. Then the pit boss just took the cards from discard tray and count again to make us know he is watching and he knows counting. I was still spreading 6 to 1 as long as others are spreading 12 to 1 or even higher. It just confirms my belief. At some casino, they never back off counters even counters are taking their money.MountainMan said:
