Dealer can't show the next card after the end of the shoe?

[Gamblor]

Ploppy asked to see the next card after the end of the shoe - to see if his decision to hit/stand would have made a difference.

But the dealer told him they no longer can do that with out getting the approval from the pit! The dealer mentioned something about counters, but I doubt this is true?

What possible significant advantage can be gained be seeing one more card in a 8D shoe? I can't possibly imagine, assume its just typical casino mgmt. stupidity, but who knows, maybe one of you guys did something to this casino that got them skeered? :laugh:

 

[Midwestern]

i call BS on the dealer on his reason. (and i dont mean basic strategy).

i think they do need permission to deal further cards, but it wouldnt make one drop of a difference in an ocean to a counter because nothing else in the shoe is getting played anyway.

 

[21gunsalute]

I know the local joints in this area aren't allowed to show the next card, but some dealers might "accidently" flip it over to satisfy ones' curiosity. I think it's just some silly superstition the management of these casinos have.

 

[Sucker]

The main reason some places don't allow "rabbit hunting" is because they think it slows down the game, costing the house money. If you ask ME, that's ridiculous. IMO; they're idiots.

And yes; a FRIENDLY dealer will usually just "accidentally" flash the card. :grin:

 

[tribute]

I know the local joints in this area aren't allowed to show the next card, but some dealers might "accidently" flip it over to satisfy ones' curiosity. I think it's just some silly superstition the management of these casinos have.

I have also seen dealers "un-intentionally" flash the last card even though they just told me it is not the casino's policy to show it. I must have been tipping that day. Funny they still won't show me the burn card.

 

[tthree]

Where do you all play, Ive never seen that request turned down. Maybe I just dont pay attention. But the few times Ive asked I was promptly shown enough cards to satisfy my curiousity.

 

[shadroch]

I think it says more about the players than the dealer. If a guy is a jerk, he could ask for anything and the dealer will refuse it.

 

[Gamblor]

Where do you all play, Ive never seen that request turned down. Maybe I just dont pay attention. But the few times Ive asked I was promptly shown enough cards to satisfy my curiousity.

Never seen this myself. This was at a place that previously showed the card no problem, but changed recently.

 

[Midnght Cow]

Almost every dealer I know will gladly show the next card before the shuffle. Shouldn't make a bit of difference.

Every now and then I run into a dealer that won't. I had one a couple months ago who wouldn't, and she said something about them not be allowed to anymore. (I was thinking that the other dealers must've missed that memo, as all others that had been asked that same night showed it without batting an eye.)

The possible excuse mentioned above about slowing the game down is almost too weak to even be typical management BS. The conversation with the dealer having to explain why they won't show the card takes far longer than just showing the card.

 

[Gamblor]

The possible excuse mentioned above about slowing the game down is almost too weak to even be typical management BS. The conversation with the dealer having to explain why they won't show the card takes far longer than just showing the card.

What!?!? Guys in suits with fancy titles coming up with bad ideas that sound good to even dumber guys in suits with fancier titles, but actually works out to be bad ideas for the business??? Unheard of!

Hmm what other short sided idea can we think of today that can deleteriously affect our long term customer relations, but sound good to bean counters and dumb execs?

 

[aslan]

What!?!? Guys in suits with fancy titles coming up with bad ideas that sound good to even dumber guys in suits with fancier titles, but actually works out to be bad ideas for the business??? Unheard of!

Hmm what other short sided idea can we think of today that can deleteriously affect our long term customer relations, but sound good to bean counters and dumb execs?

Exactly. You sound like an insider. :laugh:

 

[Solo player]

Quirky rules

Its been about 10 years now and I haven't been back since. But at a certain Indian casino in Mich. At there pitch games(cards were dealt face down) you were not supposed to show your cards to other players. Dealers said that if they wanted other players to see the cards they would be dealt face up. Nor were you allowed to discuss how to play your hands with other players at the table. And they were not about to show the next card when it was time to shuffle. No passing of chips between players either.

I always viewed this as serious overkill.

 

[21gunsalute]

Its been about 10 years now and I haven't been back since. But at a certain Indian casino in Mich. At there pitch games(cards were dealt face down) you were not supposed to show your cards to other players. Dealers said that if they wanted other players to see the cards they would be dealt face up. Nor were you allowed to discuss how to play your hands with other players at the table. And they were not about to show the next card when it was time to shuffle. No passing of chips between players either.

I always viewed this as serious overkill.

Gee, you'd think the 6:5 payment on blackjack would be enough of a house advantage.

 

[MangoJ]

What!?!? Guys in suits with fancy titles coming up with bad ideas that sound good to even dumber guys in suits with fancier titles, but actually works out to be bad ideas for the business??? Unheard of!

Well said, I think this is an example of Peter Principle

 

[21forme]

Ploppy asked to see the next card after the end of the shoe - to see if his decision to hit/stand would have made a difference.

But the dealer told him they no longer can do that with out getting the approval from the pit!

Sometimes I'll ask to see the next card as part of my ploppy act. I once had a dealer say that to me and I responded that I need approval from my wife to tip. Too bad she's not here. :laugh:

 

[LovinItAll]

Its been about 10 years now and I haven't been back since. But at a certain Indian casino in Mich. At there pitch games(cards were dealt face down) you were not supposed to show your cards to other players. Dealers said that if they wanted other players to see the cards they would be dealt face up. Nor were you allowed to discuss how to play your hands with other players at the table. And they were not about to show the next card when it was time to shuffle. No passing of chips between players either.

I always viewed this as serious overkill.

Must be unique to that joint. In Vegas DD games, players regularly show other players their cards. Also, in a DD game, I've never had a dealer refuse to show the last card.

If I heard this from a dealer, "if they wanted other players to see the cards they would be dealt face up.", I'm 100% sure my response would be, "If I wanted your opinion, I'd have asked for it." (unless someone asked the dealer's opinion, of course).

I'm try to always be polite the BJ table and used to put up with dealer chatter
about stuff the shouldn't be talking about, but I stopped being so nice after an incident at a big-ish property. If I hear any inappropriate talk from a dealer now, I ask them nicely to stop. If they keep on, I get a little more aggressive. Unsolicited dealer comments about players' decision making doesn't go unchecked if I'm playing.

 

[Gamblor]

Exactly. You sound like an insider. :laugh:

Not exactly But worked for large corporations long enough to know how they work. Corporations have an inherently psychopathic setup where they basically rewards employees to come up with measurable, short sited improvements, that often have bad long term effects for the company that are not easily measurable. I'm sure these mega-corp casinos are no different at all.

Plus throw in group think, risk aversion, and as Mango pointed out Peter Principle, and you have a sure fire formula that ensures the company grinds to a halt.

Bad news is that they'll implement all sorts of stupid rules, good news is that these are the low brain powered people your battling against.

 

[Sucker]

i once had a dealer say that to me and i responded that i need approval from my wife to tip. Too bad she's not here. :laugh:

great answer!

 

[aslan]

Well said, I think this is an example of Peter Principle

A voice from the past.

 

[blackchipjim]

Rabbit hunting?

Most dealers will show you the last card if you aren't a jerk. I try to be very freindly with the dealers that know me and have no problem asking. I wouldn't do it in unfamiliar places since it doesn't matter when your're playing indexs anyways. I have used it to seem superstisous but that's all a part of an act.