I know this topic comes up a lot at the new competitors to AC in the neighboring states. People who are obvious ploppies that the casino has a 5 to 10% edge on are commenting that they don't go to AC anymore because of the crappy rules. These are people making the worst plays you could imagine, standing on a hard 8 so as not to take the dealer bust card, doubling hard 12, not hitting a soft stiff and splitting hands they should never consider splitting. Many are green or black chippers. Some playing flat bet table limit. They say the flow of the cards are bad in AC. They don't understand why like we do but they definitely see the difference. Many are from New Jersey and drive further to get to these games rather than go to AC. The ploppy community has figured out the water is boiling in AC and they jumped out of the pot. They didn't land in the fire but in a nice cool spring. They are not as clueless as everyone thinks. At least not on the central east coast. People are generally pretty well educated around here.
Dear Atlantic City,
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jaygruden
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I know the facts prove you right ZG. I am not looking to make this a political thread. In fact, my views are not strong enough on the subject for me to want to enter into a debate about it.zengrifter said:
On a lighter note.....Some have proposed ideas to keep those costs down:
Chris Clem, JD, Attorney at Samples, Jennings, Ray & Clem, PLLC, in a Jan. 31, 2002 statement in response to a press release about the cost of capital cases as reported by the Tennessee Coalition to Abolish State Killing, stated:
"Executions do not have to cost that much. We could hang them and re-use the rope. No cost! Or we could use firing squads and ask for volunteer firing squad members who would provide their own guns and ammunition. Again, no cost.":laugh::devil:
Jan. 31, 2002 - Chris Clem, JD
Please accept our apologies if our posts about ghetto-criminals have displeased you.Tarzan said:
Many more reason have ruined AC casinos in addition to crummier rules & the nearby competitions.
Depression is one of the factors. It has stopped wall street highrollers from dropping millions into AC casinos. Prior 2008, I saw one such gambler ("N--h") who dropped 4 purple chips into Dealer X's toke box after the dealer busted his hand of 6 on top, monkey at the bottom, & topped with another monkey. Of course, subsequently the casino took him to the cleaners.
Also crimes in AC don't improve the bad situation (hence, our posts indirectly were in response to your first post). Recently the hardcore ghetto criminals have scared away potential gamblers and visitors.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/atlantic-city-carjacking-suspects-taj-mahal-carjacking-130230288.html
Bad comp policies have also hurt the AC casinos. A chief said he quit going to Hilton because it has given him almost nothing in return for his actions.
Sweating money is another mortal sin for some AC casinos. For example, even a female dealer pissed at her own casino. She said that when somebody had won big for awhile, management would sweat the money by dropping the $10,000 max bet down to $3,000. If there's no big actions at tables, no decent tokes for her, and that why she's pissed. The dealer loses tips, and the casino loses patrons as a result of sweating.
Is Kenny at fault? James Grosjean would definitely disagree with you. He and his pardner Mankodi have still found "weak dealers" to make money from AC. In fact, Mankodi is suing an AC casino for tackling, backrooming, and illegally imprisoning him. Unlike AP-Doug's lawsuits, Mankodi gets a fair chance to win his lawsuit because he hires Super Counselor Bob as his lawyerWABJ11 said:
.Subsequent bad conditions should not be blamed against good guys. Ken fought for the rights of APs and won. Is it Ken's fault when AC games are bad now? Likewise, Dr. King fought for the rights of his people and won (i.e, he has paved the road for Obama to White house!). Is it King's fault when many inmates are his people (due to poverty, lack of morals, joblessness, etc..)? Ken & King are not at faults, and they're always heros, and they should not be blamed for bad things right now
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aslan
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The main thing that is wrong with the death penalty is that it is taking another person's life, who may just be your or my brother, but who obviously went astray. Does he deserve death? By all means. Should we be taking his life? I don't think so. Let God be the final judge of his ultimate destiny, but what we should be concerned about is protecting the living, not meting out unnecessary death sentences, and especially not out of vengeance.zengrifter said:
Getting back to AC, I disagree with Tarzan just a tiny bit. From at least anecdotal evidence, it does seem presently more dangerous in Atlantic City than PA casinos, unless maybe they are not printing the news about casino-related murders in PA for some reason. Even in AC, I am more wary around the Taj Mahal than I am the Borgata. But I do agree that it is wise to be cautious about you surroundings wherever you are, because thugs do go where the money is. And, yes, I agree you should spend more of your time in PA where the games are far better than in AC.
I respectfully disagree. Your chances of being robbed in my opinion at a PA store such as Hollywood Casino vs. Trump Taj Mahal is far lower. It may be different with say Sugarhouse but to make a generalization like that I think is not accurate. The people who play at Hollywood Casino are far nicer as a whole and I have yet to come across any lowlife scum there. The casino obviously caters to locals and I think you will find that more often than not, the quality of the people in the casinos reflect the surrounding environment. In addition, there is a + correlation between the likelihood of crime occurring and the number of security guards working there.Tarzan said:
In this case, I have noticed far more security guards than I ever do at say Taj Mahal.
aslan
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FLASH1296 said:
You may or may not be right -- I have no way to know-- just ran across it and thought it appropo. A better example might be a Cistercian monastary-- poverty, low crime, and a culture that encourages high moral values. People cause crime, not poverty, and people with high moral values have a low incidence of criminal activity, rich or poor.
aslan
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When I say a person with high moral values I mean a person who orders his life around those values. I don't mean a Mafia member who may believe that it is wrong to murder and steal, but does so anyway. Who would refer to Mafia members as persons with high moral values? If you think a person who tries to live his life by a high moral code has the same likelihood of stealing and murdering as a Mafia member, I have to wonder about just what your issue is. If you see no correlation, we will just have to agree to disagree.FLASH1296 said:
aslan
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If you are referring to hypocrites who pretend to follow a moral code, that does not qualify as a person of high moral values. Just because a person claims to follow a high moral code, that does not make him a person of high moral values. Are you deliberately playing with the words? I don't care to get into a debate on what the definition of "is" is.
aslan
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What unparalleled cynicism! :laugh: Bah! Humbug!FLASH1296 said:
I did not mention organized religion for one thing, I said a person of high moral values, which might equally apply to an atheist, and the last I heard, they were not organized. Organized or unorganized is irrelevant anyway. And don't pick out my example of a Cistercian monastery-- that was for example's sake only, although it did make its point. Maybe I should have used the town of Pahrump, NV, a poor town that used to be called the trailer park capital of the world. Much of the population lives in trailers, side-by-sides, modular homes, yet there is virtually no crime. Of course, you could argue that they drive 60 miles to Las Vegas to do their stealing. :grin:
Dyepaintball12
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This entire thread (pg. 2+) is the reason this forum is going to S***.
mjbballar23
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This x 1000!Dyepaintball12 said:
To really blow your mind, Nevada is now in THIRD place in gaming taxes collected, behind both PA and Indiana. PA collects FOUR TIMES as much in taxes as NJ.kewljason said:
I thought I read somewhere in the last month that Pa had moved into the number 2 position in gaming revenue in the US, surpassing several states that had more casinos than they did, and where actually pretty close to Nevada, which I found amazing as Nevada has more than 10 times the casinos. If that is the case (and I can't remember where I saw that article to confirm it), you would think that other locations would closely examine Pa in an attempt to figure out just what they are doing right. Apparently not.
SEE: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/28/pennsylvanias-gamble-on-casinos-paying-off-big/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
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