Does anyone know about the Shuffle Master "Table Master" blackjack game?
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21forme said:
What do you think the BR of the average person who walks into a casino is?
If your BR is $250 or less,then we are talking a big chunk. If its $1,000,we are still talking 2%. That might not sound like that much but give away 2% of your BR each trip,and it adds up real fast.
The average person is not a regular on this board. The average person goes expecting to lose and goes for the entertainment value, not expecting +EV. It's like going to a ballgame.
The AP, OTOH, should know enough to have an adequate bankroll, and until he does shouldn't be making the trips.
The AP, OTOH, should know enough to have an adequate bankroll, and until he does shouldn't be making the trips.
If that is the stance you wish to take,than the AP will not play in AC either. He'll save his money and play in Vegas. Whats $200 in airfare when he'll be putting tens of thousands of dollars at play.
Thats what I do. I hit AC for free rooms,free dinners,free shows and whatever else I can get( last month was a DVD player and a cocktail set,along with a couple hundred in bounceback cash and a round of golf),and fly to Vegas every 6-8 weeks for some good BJ.
Thats what I do. I hit AC for free rooms,free dinners,free shows and whatever else I can get( last month was a DVD player and a cocktail set,along with a couple hundred in bounceback cash and a round of golf),and fly to Vegas every 6-8 weeks for some good BJ.
ChefJJ
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I think everybody here likes some good BJ. :grin:shadroch said:
Seriously though--and now I'm talking strictly AP's--if you are in the car from PA to AC (for the sake of the discussion, $25 roundtrip) with at least one other person, is $12 really going to bust your balls? If it is, do you really need to be going to any kind of casino to begin with?
Your original point was 'why would an average player in Philly drive to AC to play BJ when there is the video BJ with bad rules?' That's fair enough, but it's a stretch to say that spending $12 at the most to drive to AC is not worth it--save your money to fly (no sharing that ticket) to Vegas. I dunno...not equivalent, but that's just my opinion.
good luck
You have to value your time, too.
Flying from the east coast to LV kills at least half a day going west and a whole day coming back home when you add up flight times, drive to the airport, waiting at the airport, etc. If you're retired, no big deal. If you have a conventional job, with limited vacation time, then it may matter.
I'd much rather do the 1 hour drive from Philly to AC, play my 6 decks and not worry about heat. Even if there is heat, they can't throw you out.
Flying from the east coast to LV kills at least half a day going west and a whole day coming back home when you add up flight times, drive to the airport, waiting at the airport, etc. If you're retired, no big deal. If you have a conventional job, with limited vacation time, then it may matter.
I'd much rather do the 1 hour drive from Philly to AC, play my 6 decks and not worry about heat. Even if there is heat, they can't throw you out.
Thing is,I live on Long Island.For me to get to AC is roughly 4 1/2 hours each way,door to door. If I leave at 10;30 am,I'm there around 3pm.
Going to Vegas,I leave at 10:30 for a 12:15 flight and get to Vegas about 3pm,thanks to the time difference. Coming home ,I take a red-eye,board at 11:30,sleep the night away and get home at 9 am,so the three hours I lost don't come into play.
When the casino at Montecello opens,hopefully they'll have better games than AC does
Going to Vegas,I leave at 10:30 for a 12:15 flight and get to Vegas about 3pm,thanks to the time difference. Coming home ,I take a red-eye,board at 11:30,sleep the night away and get home at 9 am,so the three hours I lost don't come into play.
When the casino at Montecello opens,hopefully they'll have better games than AC does
ihate17
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We do not make a difference here
The person with the power to make or break the game is the ploppy, the average blackjack player. I think it has been proven that the electronic game always fails when you have a real game in the same casino or in the casino next door, but I think it is currently an unknown as to what the distance needs to be before the convience outways the poor rules for the average player.
That average player will let us know by the casino results in the next several months.
Another factor I just thought of was that the bigger money will still travel to AC but the fact that often there are times where you can not find a low limit table in AC might increase the number of players in Philly, especially on the weekends and might eventually cause AC to lower limits and try to lure these folks in.
ihate17
The people on this board will have no effect concerning a video blackjack in PA having an effect on AC blackjack, because the people on this board will go to AC and not not desired by the casinos anyway.21forme said:
The person with the power to make or break the game is the ploppy, the average blackjack player. I think it has been proven that the electronic game always fails when you have a real game in the same casino or in the casino next door, but I think it is currently an unknown as to what the distance needs to be before the convience outways the poor rules for the average player.
That average player will let us know by the casino results in the next several months.
Another factor I just thought of was that the bigger money will still travel to AC but the fact that often there are times where you can not find a low limit table in AC might increase the number of players in Philly, especially on the weekends and might eventually cause AC to lower limits and try to lure these folks in.
ihate17
Perhaps some of the other AC regulars can comment, but in the last month or so, I've noticed more lower limit ($10 and $15) tables, even on weekends.ihate17 said:
On a semi-realted note...
The general feeling seems to be that ploppies will play any rules. I don't know if that is true. From what I've read, when "Beat the Dealer" first came out, the LV casinos made massive rule changes, fearing the counting hoard about to descend on them. However, what they succeeded in doing was scaring off everyone, and changed the rules back. So, it appears that ploppies do (or at least, did) pay attention to the rules.
But that was when Beat The Dealer was a hit book,and everyone knew what the rules should be.Now,everyone KNOWS that counting six or 8 decks is impossible.How do they know?They've seen Rainman.
Ask them why they play 6/5 instead of 3/2,and you get a shrug.
Explain to them that very often,two tables in the casino will have different rules and you get puzzlement.
Ballys in Vegas has switched to 6/5 six deck shoes.How long until Harrahs does away with 3/2 entirely,and the other mega giants follow suit?
Ask them why they play 6/5 instead of 3/2,and you get a shrug.
Explain to them that very often,two tables in the casino will have different rules and you get puzzlement.
Ballys in Vegas has switched to 6/5 six deck shoes.How long until Harrahs does away with 3/2 entirely,and the other mega giants follow suit?