Doubling on 11 vs. Ace

[steve]

Greetings! I use BS. I notice that holding 11 vs. an Ace, and the dealer does not declare a BJ, me thinks the strategy would be to double down since the best hand the dealer coud have is a count of 20. Is this correct?

Thanx!!

 

[stovepipe_1_2_3]

it all depends on what the count is. if there are small cards favored to come just hit. if your count suggest that a lot of high cards are coming then double.

 

[Mikeaber]

Most Basic Strategy will indicates that you double eleven versus ACE. Check the Strategy Engine on this site (home page left column). There are some exceptions depending on the number of decks in the shoe and possibly the table rules.

 

[tedloc]

Here is the reason...

Greetings! I use BS. I notice that holding 11 vs. an Ace, and the dealer does not declare a BJ, me thinks the strategy would be to double down since the best hand the dealer coud have is a count of 20. Is this correct?

Thanx!!

Playing BS, when you have 11 vs the dealer A, it is an "even" money bet. You have 11/he has 11. No matter, what the count, before the card comes out, you have an even chance to beat the dealer. You will win 5 and lose 5. By doubling you will have twice as much money at the end of the run. If you have an 11 vs. dealer 10, you are a 6-5 favorite to win the hand. That means you will win 6 and lose 5. So you see, it does not enhance your chances of winning the hand but will get you twice the money at the end of the run.

 

[stovepipe_1_2_3]

yes in the long run, not you the player will have an even advantage but all bets in general. that is where counting comes in. your spacific bet where you can swey the odd either direction

 

[tedloc]

He plays BS

yes in the long run, not you the player will have an even advantage but all bets in general. that is where counting comes in. your spacific bet where you can swey the odd either direction

The player is taking BS. Forget the count for now. When the cards are delt, and you have 11/A, it is an 'even' money bet as to who is going to win.

 

[stovepipe_1_2_3]

yes true but still. b.s. aside that paticular monent is where you can calculate if it is 50/50, 60/40 or 40/60. the house only nows that in the long run there odds will hold up. if at a certain point you see the odds sway in your disadvantage you shouldn't increase your bet. that was all I was saying.

 

[tedloc]

Your right

yes true but still. b.s. aside that paticular monent is where you can calculate if it is 50/50, 60/40 or 40/60. the house only nows that in the long run there odds will hold up. if at a certain point you see the odds sway in your disadvantage you shouldn't increase your bet. that was all I was saying.

Your right if your counting. Certainly, you would'nt double with a very negative count. I was simply answering Steve's question. He said he plays BS and did not mention counting.

 

[shadroch]

Playing BS, when you have 11 vs the dealer A, it is an "even" money bet. You have 11/he has 11. No matter, what the count, before the card comes out, you have an even chance to beat the dealer. You will win 5 and lose 5. By doubling you will have twice as much money at the end of the run. If you have an 11 vs. dealer 10, you are a 6-5 favorite to win the hand. That means you will win 6 and lose 5. So you see, it does not enhance your chances of winning the hand but will get you twice the money at the end of the run.

If you are betting $10 a hand,and double 10 hands-win 5 and lose 5,you DO NOT have twice as much money at the end of the run.You are exactly even. You'd be even if you raised you bet 100X,or 1000X.

 

[tedloc]

Let's see..

If you are betting $10 a hand,and double 10 hands-win 5 and lose 5,you DO NOT have twice as much money at the end of the run.You are exactly even. You'd be even if you raised you bet 100X,or 1000X.

*You only have twice as much money in 11vs.10 bet (6-5 favorite). When you win six $20 bets, you have twice as much than if you didn't double. In the example of the even bet 11 vs A , you are right. The reason for doubling your bet 11 vs A is: This is as close to even as a non card-counter can expect.

 

[ScottH]

Playing BS, when you have 11 vs the dealer A, it is an "even" money bet. You have 11/he has 11. No matter, what the count, before the card comes out, you have an even chance to beat the dealer. You will win 5 and lose 5. By doubling you will have twice as much money at the end of the run. If you have an 11 vs. dealer 10, you are a 6-5 favorite to win the hand. That means you will win 6 and lose 5. So you see, it does not enhance your chances of winning the hand but will get you twice the money at the end of the run.

I don't think it's as simple as saying it's 11 vs 11. There are other things that would come into play. You have a hard 11, and the dealer has a soft 11, which are not equal in strength. Also, you know that the dealer does not have a 10, which also has an effect on the hand.

 

[Sonny]

I don't think it's as simple as saying it's 11 vs 11. There are other things that would come into play. You have a hard 11, and the dealer has a soft 11, which are not equal in strength. Also, you know that the dealer does not have a 10, which also has an effect on the hand.

Well said. Also, the dealer is always allowed to draw multiple cards unlike the player who doubles.

-Sonny-

 

[tedloc]

Check the charts.

Well said. Also, the dealer is always allowed to draw multiple cards unlike the player who doubles.

-Sonny-

You guys seem to be missing the point. All the basic strategy cards, say to double 11 vs A. I tried to give you the reason why using BS, not counting. It sounds to me that you recomend not doubling using BS

 

[ScottH]

You guys seem to be missing the point. All the basic strategy cards, say to double 11 vs A. I tried to give you the reason why using BS, not counting. It sounds to me that you recomend not doubling using BS

I was just saying that it isn't that easy to explain it like you did. Sometimes it is correct to double 11 vs A, sometimes it isn't, it all depends on the rules of the game.

 

[SystemsTrader]

Greetings! I use BS. I notice that holding 11 vs. an Ace, and the dealer does not declare a BJ, me thinks the strategy would be to double down since the best hand the dealer coud have is a count of 20. Is this correct?

Thanx!!

Steve it simply depends on which game you are playing.

Single Deck- Double 11 vs A
Double Deck- Double 11 vs A
Multi-Deck S17- Hit 11 vs A
Multi-Deck H17- Double 11 vs A

 

[zengrifter]

Steve it simply depends on which game you are playing.

Single Deck- Double 11 vs A
Double Deck- Double 11 vs A
Multi-Deck S17- Hit 11 vs A
Multi-Deck H17- Double 11 vs A

The strategy generator at this site may be wrong - I have generally been taught that correct BS is to NOT double 11 v. A in multi-deck regardless of rules. zg

 

[SystemsTrader]

The strategy generator at this site may be wrong - I have generally been taught that correct BS is to NOT double 11 v. A in multi-deck regardless of rules. zg

In Blackjack Attack Schlesinger also says to double 11 vs A in H17 multi-deck.

 

[Canceler]

Sorry, zg

The strategy generator at this site may be wrong - I have generally been taught that correct BS is to NOT double 11 v. A in multi-deck regardless of rules. zg

Then the charts at Wizard of Odds AND the EV tables at bjmath are wrong, too!

 

[KenSmith]

Double 11vAce in 1 and 2 decks, and also whenever H17 no matter how many decks.

 

[E-town-guy]

I follow the proper BS but now that someone has brought this point up I'm wondering why you'd double 11vA in H17 when you don't in S17.